An Amateur Detective and the Curious Case of Kary Mullis

by Not Sure

26 Feb 2022

In a 1998 interview with The Washington Post, Kary Mullis said, "There is zero data that could support the statement that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS... I don't really respect the people who call themselves AIDS scientists." AIDS scientists, like global warming researchers, are just in it for the money, he claims. “The Centers for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health are pushing AIDS research because it's a lucrative source of federal funding. CDC was ready for a new plague. NIH was eager to get out of the cancer war and into the war on AIDS.”

In a widely circulated video, Mullis said about Anthony Fauci:


It wants to go
to all the details and stuff…

Guys like Fauci get up there
and start talking.

You know, he don’t know anything
really about anything…

and I’d say that to his face.


The man thinks you can take a blood sample
and stick it in an electron microscope…

and if it got a virus in there
you’ll know it.

He doesn’t understand

and he doesn’t understand medicine.

He should not be in the position
like he is in.

Most of those guys up there
on the top are just total…

administrative people
and they don’t know…

anything about
what’s going on in the body.

Those guys have got an agenda,

which is not
what we would like them to have…

being that we pay for them
to take care of our health.

They’ve got
a personal kind of agenda.

They make up their own rules
as they go.

They change them when they want to.

And they smugly, like Tony Fauci,
does not mind going on television…

in front of the people
who pay his salary…

and lie directly into the camera.”

The fact-checkers and debunkers immediately went to work to deconstruct Mullis’ comments about the limitations of the PCR for detecting a virus. “It was twenty-five or thirty years ago...the PCR technology has advanced.” “He was talking about detecting HIV...and he has famously denied that HIV was the cause of AIDS.”

We’re going to be hearing a lot about HIV and AIDS and virulent new strains of HIV. Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex, has urged people to “know your status” and get tested for HIV, saying he hopes to carry on his mother’s work to help eradicate stigma and misunderstanding surrounding the virus.

In a recent article for Global Research, What’s Behind the New AIDS Scare?, Dr. Joseph Mercola writes:

“The parallels between Dr. Anthony Fauci’s AIDS campaign in the ‘80s and COVID are strikingly similar. In the ‘80s, Fauci pushed the deadly drug AZT as the only permissible way to treat AIDS. During the COVID pandemic, Fauci’s failed and lethal Ebola drug remdesivir got the greenlight at the expense of far safer treatment alternatives. Fauci has also been pushing for a transition from conventional vaccines to the mRNA platform.

When media start raising an issue all at the same time, it’s usually a coordinated campaign directed by a PR company on the behalf of a client. There’s a reason for it, and the reason is to sow a desired narrative in the minds of people. They plant ideas so that when something happens, people are already prepped with certain prejudices or assumptions.

So, what then might be the reason for everyone suddenly talking about AIDS? In December 2021, President Biden announced a White House plan to ‘end the HIV/AIDS epidemic by 2030.’ The same exact vow had been announced by the British Health Security Agency a week earlier.”

Kit Knightly’s piece for Off-Guardian, As COVID crumbles they’re already prepping the next “pandemic” posits that “the coronavirus may go but, from cancer to AIDS, the mRNA vaccines are here to stay.” He writes, “Country after country after country are ‘relaxing’ their Covid restrictions, abandoning vaccine passport plans and attempting to ‘get back to normal’. It seems every week some new ‘expert’ who spent the last two years predicting we’re all gonna die turns up on the news claiming we should ‘treat Covid like the flu’. But just because they’re giving slack on Covid does not mean the agenda behind Covid is gone. Far from it. In fact, even as they seek to dump this pandemic in a shallow grave, they are already prepping the public for the next health scare – AIDS.”

The cast of characters in the HIV/AIDS story is fascinating, the in-fighting very real. Read up on Robert Gallo, his connection to Fauci, the missing French HIV sample and the ultimate decision of the Nobel Prize committee to award the prize for the discovery of the AIDS virus to Luc Montagnier and Francoise Barre-Sinoussi and snub Gallo.

Back in 1988, Mullis was looking for that initial study that would support the assertion that HIV was the probable cause of AIDS, but he could not find it. In his 1996 introduction to the book Inventing the AIDS Virus by Peter H. Duesberg, Mullis wrote that his search for that answer even led him to query Luc Montagnier when he bumped into him at a conference. Heres how Mullis tells it:

“With a look of condescending puzzlement, Montagnier said, ‘Why don't you quote the report from the Centers for Disease Control?’ I replied, ‘It doesn't really address the issue of whether or not HIV is the probable cause of AIDS, does it?’

‘No,’ he admitted, no doubt wondering when I would just go away. He looked for support to the little circle of people around him, but they were all awaiting a more definitive response, like I was.

‘Why don't you quote the work on SIV [Simian Immunodeficiency Virus]?’ the good doctor offered.

‘I read that too, Dr. Montagnier,’ I responded. ‘What happened to those monkeys didn't remind me of AIDS. Besides, that paper was just published only a couple of months ago. I'm looking for the original paper where somebody showed that HIV caused AIDS.’

This time, Dr. Montagnier's response was to walk quickly away to greet an acquaintance across the room.”


Dr. Montagnier found himself embroiled in his own controversy in April of 2020 when he suggested there was a link between the novel coronavirus and the work of the P4 research laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan. In an interview with French CNews, Montagnier claimed that the virus is the result of an attempt to manufacture a vaccine against the AIDS virus because there were some elements of HIV present in the genome of the new virus. An official in President Macron’s office said there was no evidence to support that claim.

Remember that on 1 February 2020, Great Game India reported that a group of Indian scientists had discovered that Coronavirus (now called Covid-19) had been engineered with AIDS (HIV)-like insertions and that China was using AIDS drugs to treat Coronavirus. Also remember that in December of 2020 Australia scrapped its billion dollar coronavirus vaccine when trial participants received ‘false’ positive tests for HIV.

What’s really going on here?

9 January 2022, Luc Montagnier co-wrote an article for The Wall Street Journal entitled, “Omicron Makes Biden’s Vaccine Mandates Obsolete” and said there was no evidence the vaccine was reducing infections of the fast-spreading variant. Montagnier passed away 8 February. He may have said a few things that flew in the face of the official narrative but one thing he wasn’t was an “AIDS Denier.”

AIDS Denialism is the smear given to Peter Duesberg and Kary Mullis, and this guaranteed that no matter what their accomplishments people would banish them from polite scientific society. That 1998 piece from The Washington Post described Mullis as “a surfer” known for his “flamboyant philandering, gobbling prodigious quantities of LSD, enlivening his scientific lectures with slides of naked women, advocating the commercial cloning of dead celebrities' DNA, defending astrology, and attacking the science establishment every chance he gets.” But just because he’s a character doesn’t mean he’s a fool or a charlatan. We don’t know what Mullis would say about the use of his invention, the Polymerase Chain Reaction or PCR test, for the detection of Covid-19 because he died in August of 2019. But we do know what he said about HIV. Here is another quote by Mullis for his introduction to Duesberg’s 1996 book Inventing the AIDS Virus:

“I like and respect Peter Duesberg. I don't think he knows necessarily what causes AIDS; we have disagreements about that. But we're both certain about what doesn't cause AIDS.

We have not been able to discover any good reasons why most of the people on earth believe that AIDS is a disease caused by a virus called HIV. There is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating that this is true.

We have also not been able to discover why doctors prescribe a toxic drug called AZT (Zidovudine) to people who have no other complaint other than the fact that they have the presence of antibodies to HIV in their blood. In fact, we cannot understand why humans would take this drug for any reason.

We cannot understand how all this madness came about, and having both lived in Berkeley, we've seen some strange things indeed. We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake.”


A 2016 article for Science includes a picture of a poster from 1988 that read “The Government has Blood on its Hands” – “One AIDS Death Every Half Hour.” There is a new article the UNAIDS website entitled “Identification of fast-spreading HIV variant provides evidence of urgency to halt the pandemic and reach all with testing and treatment.” UNAIDS describes itself as leading the global effort to end AIDS as a public health threat by 2030 as part of the Sustainable Development Goals. Their latest article reads “The HIV pandemic continues to take a life every minute and scientists have long worried about the evolution of new, more transmissible, variants of HIV. This newly identified variant does not represent a major public health threat but underscores the urgency of speeding up efforts to halt the HIV pandemic.” So in 1988, there was one AIDS death every half hour but in 2022 that frequency is now one death every minute! But so far, the cry “HIV!” is still faint compared to “covid!” because according to Worldometer, there have been 5,963,855 covid deaths and if there are 525,600 minutes in a year and we say this pandemic has been on the go for 26 months then people are dying of covid at a rate of 5.23 per minute. Lies, damned lies and statistics. A phrase popularized by Mark Twain who attributed it to Benjamin Disraeli who also said “Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand.”


This week’s Redux is another hour from Alan Watt’s 13 December 2020 blurb “Psychopathic Professions of Demonic Possessions” and as always it is dense with information, analysis and wisdom. Alan cautions at length against some of the ways people get caught in the “elephant trap” such as the comment section of videos on sites such as YouTube and Bitchute. Sock puppets are anonymous accounts or online persona whereas bots are fully automated, and trolls provoke. The point is, it’s a waste of time and it could be much more detrimental than that. Cyber war is very real, and we online consumers have brought knives to a gunfight if we think we can tell the difference between a “real” person and a bot.

This phase of the agenda wasn’t rolled out until the ground was prepared. Our current pandemic was war-gamed in exercises such as Event 201 and groups such as 77 Brigade and SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) are employed to ensure it proceeds as planned. Alan linked to this article from Evidence Not Fear several times, “How SAGE and the UK media created fear in the British public.” Here’s a quote:

COVID-19 started registering with most of the British public around late February and early March of 2020. Many were concerned but not particularly afraid.

Only weeks later people were terrified to leave their homes or go near other human beings. How did such a dramatic shift in public perception happen so quickly?

In early March 2020, The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) produced a document for the UK Government highlighting methods for rolling out new social distancing rules. There seemed to be some doubt as to whether the public would comply with the upcoming measures so SAGE outlined a methodology based on known psychological behavioural modification techniques.

The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.”

We will hear more about HIV in the weeks and months ahead. Prince Harry says “Know your status” and “Go get tested.”

I’ll end with a quote from Dr. Mercola’s piece for Global Research:

The COVID jab may be causing AIDS-like illness by decimating immune function. Researchers have also warned the COVID jab may raise your risk of HIV infection. Is the media’s focus on AIDS an attempt to cover up COVID jab effects?”

© Not Sure

Additional reading:

What’s Behind the New AIDS Scare?


As COVID crumbles they’re already prepping the next “pandemic”


Is there something more sinister than money behind the “new HIV” scare?


Discovery of New HIV Variant Sends Warning for COVID Pandemic


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Australia Scraps Billion Dollar Coronavirus Vaccine After Participants Test HIV Positive


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How the discovery of HIV led to a transatlantic research war


At gathering of HIV/AIDS pioneers, raw memories mix with current conflicts (2016)


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