August 12, 2007

(Part 1 of 2)


"Episode: Future Studies and Collectivism"





Henrik:  Hello friends. Thank you for tuning to Red Ice Creations Radio. This is Henrik Palmgren and we are coming to you from the West Coast of Sverige. Every Thursday and Sunday and we have a new program available for you at the Red Ice and this is our Sunday program and we're almost halfway through August already. It's amazing how time do fly by as it were and today back on the show we have finally our regular guest Alan Watt from with us on the line. We are going to spend some time today talking a few interesting documents and future studies about institutes and predictive programming and other agencies that are involving in trying to predict the future for us and leading it accordingly that way. So let's say hi to Alan. Welcome back to the program my friend. Nice to have you with us again.


Alan:  Yes, it's nice to have a phone that works now so I'll be able to talk to you.


Henrik:  Exactly. That's right you got your phone fried last time during a thunderstorm and you just mentioned that you have continuing storms up in Canada. Is it like locally up there or is like in the entire area, what's going on?


Alan:  They were spraying here heavily during the day. You watch them spraying and making the clouds. You end up with this big mush, then it builds up the heat because this covering of metallic particles acts like mirrors and it mirrors the reflections back and forth and it causes the warming, which they're blaming us for in global warming, and then at night you have lots of thunderstorms. Very odd thunderstorms I sat around for the last week watching outside until about 2 or 3 in the morning because I've never seen thunderstorms like it. There was no sound to the thunder but you could see the lightning all around and continuous. This is the new type of super heating of the atmosphere through the HAARP technology in conjunction with the spraying of the skies. They're actually superheating the atmosphere and causing this new phenomenon, this new type of lightening we've got. It fries the telephone line sometimes.


Henrik:  So you got your house or where you're living at, you got directly hit?


Alan:  I had a series of it's sort of like lightening balls that you see. Big balls of lightening around you but not high up and I had a circle around the house. This isn't the first time. I had it before a circle around the house. I was holding the phone at the time and it melted in my hand.


Henrik:  Really. Is that true?


Alan:  The following morning every electric part on my truck was fried as well. That's three times it's happened so far.


Henrik:  Oh my God. Well talk about weird weather. I read a report, even if it's true or exaggerated I don't know, but it was about overall so far in 2007 and it seems to be globally weird weather. Tremendous droughts in some areas and flooding of course in the UK and southern parts of Sweden had very severe flooding about a month ago I think and up here it's been like the worst summer yet. It's been raining all the time. No good summer weather as it were at all and it seems to be spreading globally and it seems to be very kind of, how should I say, fitting according to the agenda of changing weather patterns and the climate change and all of this. Of course, as you say, there is speculation that this is not natural in that sense but this is actually implemented from above and this is weather manipulation in order to drive us further into the belief that this is man-made global warming and it's all our fault.


Alan:  There's The Club of Rome. The Club of Rome is one of the top global think tanks that works for the global elite and they put a book out in the 1970’s called "The First Global Revolution," and it was written by the two founders of the think tank. In there, and these were the guys who also gave us all the terminology to do with global warming, but in that book they said in the book and people should really get a copy. You can get second hand copies for about $0.75 in paperback. They say that they sat around thinking of ways to unite the world and to get the people to give up their rights and be managed by the expert society and they discussed all possibilities. Could they use the space alien theory and terrify the public? We have a common enemy to unite the planet; and eventually the guy says we hit upon the idea of causing climatic changes and of course he meant by using sciences and then convincing the public that they were causing the problem so that mankind would see himself as the actual enemy of the world. That's in their own publication, their own book called "The First Global Revolution," put out and published by the Club of Rome. That's the top think tank for world strategy on a global level and they give their ideas out to the other think tanks that then must implement it and market it into our minds through the media. It's right from the horse's mouth.


Henrik:   I say it's all about that implementation and that actually again there are agencies out there worrying, but they are planning and for our future and for the scenario of the future and I see this myself very clearly now at this point at least that the idea of global warming is a way to implement a world government, because it's, again, talk about a global problem. It's like we have to have a centralized power structure in order to combat this and we have to maintain the idea that humans are the ones to blame for it and this is the way to do it. I think that the Al Gore thing now, 2007, also was very convenient and it seems to be implementing or starting up really hitting hard now and as far as I've read the continuous reports that they are stating so far, however they can know this, but they say that we're going to continue to have more and more severe weather in the years ahead, so yes that's right.


Alan:  You know Al Gore's family, the Gore family were trained and financed into being by Armand Hammer.  Armand Hammer was an interesting man because he was a globalist too, and although he was born in the U.S. and his father gave him the name – changed the name to Arm and Hammer for the Soviet flag – and he owns big food companies today. He was given an office next to Lenin and then Stalin, old Armand Hammer, and he had another office in New York.  He was running both sides on behalf of the world globalists and he trained the Gore family to also pick up the agenda and go on. All these guys are connected you see.


Henrik:  As far as I see it, there's like silly talk that Al Gore was kind of jumping on the democrat side and continued to run for president, but at this point I kind of see him as almost the new emperor of the world almost. The centralized power structure when they're going to have a president Al Gore is going to be at this point at least the top guy for that one. I don't know if they're going to set-up a big institution.


Alan:  All they're doing is finding a job for him because the guy cannot read very well, even his own script. Even when he was running in the U.S. for candidacy he kept making mistakes, tremendous mistakes and he was very laughable, but they always find jobs for the boys as they say, so he was picked for this job. He won't be the final one.


Henrik:  No, of course not.


Alan:  But all he has to do is read is script anyway. It's written by the others for him.


Henrik:  Sure exactly. It's interesting. It seems like a lot of these guys have trouble with the words and reading the same way as Bush. I don't know if it's dyslexia disease going around or something like that up there.


Alan:  It also all the drugs they take and snorting cocaine and stuff. They're all into that at the top.


Henrik:  Sure, that could be it actually. You know I was looking at your website and you have a document up on your site right now called a UK Department of Defence document and it's titled "Development Concepts and Doctrine Center Global Strategic Trends Program 2007-2036."  This is about again future studies as we mentioned. I find this very interesting and especially if it comes from a Defence Department or some kind of military or government institution. It's a 106 page long document and I guess you have done a detailed analysis of it already, but maybe you could give us an outline, what is it about?


Alan:  It first broke into the public realm the findings of this think tank. Now this think tank is the premiere or top think tank for the Department of Defence for Britain, but it's also the top think tank for basically NATO, all NATO countries, so the agenda that it foresees for the future is for a good part of the world.  They go through a whole scenario of what's to happen in the near up to the future, to the year 2030, '31, around there. All they foresee and predict is mob uprisings within the European and the Americas countries, but they don't tell us why there would be uprisings amongst the people. The uprisings that they're talking about like flashmobs and all these terms that they have now, where suddenly people will just form mobs and get very angry and they don't tell you why the mobs will become very angry and they're talking about the everyday citizens in these countries. See, they know the agenda.


They know that under the Kyoto they're going to cut back all energy consumption to pre-1960’s level, maybe even pre-1950’s. They know the impact that's going to have on all of the public. They're also going to cut back on food supplies because under the UN Charter they eventually are supposed to be in charge of all the world's food and they are to distribute it to each country, and it will be up to each country not to allow its population to go over a certain amount. If they do you'll still get the same rations and you'll have to deal with it over a population problem. That's from the United Nations.  All of this is to kick in gradually you see and it's going to be population reduction. There's going to be energy reduction until, obviously, if they keep cutting back on all or price it out of existence, a lot of people won't be able to even heat themselves in the cities.  You're looking at chaos ahead and they know this because that's the agenda. It's the plan.


They've been preparing to combat this you see and keep control over the Europeans and the Americans. What they predict is that they'll have all this high-tech weaponry, which they have, both lethal and non-lethal weaponry. That's also technetronic weaponry, which can be fired through satellites and arrays of satellites. That's what the Star Wars program is really for, or they can use it in conjunction with HAARP.  There will be forms of mind control to keep us all placid and calm or drugged almost. There's also the aerial spraying program because they have vast quantities – that was admitted by Rumsfeld of aerosolized Prozac and Valium and other drugs to spray over vast areas to calm the populous if there's another crisis.  I believe they're already doing that.  However, they're also willing to use neutron bombs on the public – which destroy all organic life, at least protoplasmic life like humans and leave all the infrastructure intact; and that's from the top think tank that works for Britain.


Henrik:  Oh my God. You know one thing right away that I can bring up here is there was a report not that many weeks ago. I think it was actually on Swedish television if I remember correct, and this actually talked about because of the phasing out of the old fuel, meaning oil in this case, and that more and more were choosing ethanol as a new fuel. They mentioned that prices on some food will actually go up because this was a battle now between growing crops for ethanol fuel or for the food itself, and there has been a number of reports stating that prices will go up and basically we're put in front of this scenario that we have to choose between food and fuel, and whatever we're going to choose is going to be much, much more expensive than before. They had some lady on from the World Food Program I think talking about this and they did comparisons, meaning that either the people in Africa are going to starve or you have to drag your car for the same fuel either made from ethanol or they aren't going to have the food to eat.  Again, they're putting us in front of this scenario where we're causing this to each other and they're creating this – again they're hitting, how should I put it, they target your emotions and they target that you should feel guilty for what you're doing if you drive a car or whatever.  One thing that really strikes me is that there is never any mention of the real alternatives to energies like the French air car that they are developing now. They have, of course, motors running as far as I know on water. They had some guy in America a few years that actually was murdered that had an engine that could run on water. It's interesting that Al Gore and these guys talking about the environment and all of this never bring up any new technological solutions to this problem, and that right there shows you, at least to me, that this is not the real agenda that they're after here. There's something more I guess.


Alan:  When I was small I looked at the histories of engineering especially to do with cars and vehicles and I realized that really, regardless of how many outer styles they make of a car, an automobile, it's the same basic engine. Even fuel injection had been tried in the 1900’s by military manufacturers, so there's nothing new in it.  I thought, how come they never modified it, until I read many, many years ago when I was young I read a lot of the UN documentation and to do with select areas to be used in the future for habitat areas. That's now published under Agenda 21 for the 21st century. We're all to be moved into these overcrowded cities that they'll call habitat areas and then the population is gradually, gradually reduced, but there's to be no private motor vehicles allowed according to the United Nations ultimately in these habitat areas.


The plan is to phase out our ability to travel independently. They said there will be essential vehicles only, which is like police, military et cetera in the future. For all the reasons they're giving us, it's nothing to do with any truth. There's no shortage of oil at all. In fact, I've got old school books from Canada with whole chapters on the oil findings in Canada, even in Ontario here, of hundreds of wells which were found and capped, never to be used – in the 1920’s. I remember going over the North Sea often when I went across to Norway and Sweden and I'd meet executives for British Petroleum and Dutch Oil and all the rest of them and they'd talk to you on the ship. These guys told me many times that they were finding so much oil that enough oil under the North Sea at that time to supply the world for a few hundred years just from there. It's nothing to do with shortages. It's the public once again that must be convinced to move into a new way of living, which is simply a form of more control. It's a way of living where you won't be able to decide anything for yourself because we're all to be run by a world of experts. That's all it is, a planned society.


Henrik:  Yes, exactly and we're going to be in these mega-cities as you say, a few I guess on the planet, very large cities. I mean people are getting more and more sterile. That's one thing and then there could be an implementation of some kind of one-child-per-family program like in China now, but I don't think they're going to make it a law. They're probably going to make something a “hip” thing that you choose so you don't get more than one child per family. I mean they're going to implement it by some kind of fashion means, propaganda or whatever, and people are going to want to have it that way anyway, so I guess either way you turn it it's a win-win scenario. Do you know how many people – I've heard this before that they want to have a population on the planet that is about I guess 500 million in total, something like that. That would mean at this point that 5.5 billion have to be eradicated as it were. Do you know if this is the number that comes up now and again, or is it more or less than 500 million? Do you know?


Alan:  See what they're looking at here – these guys don't have final solutions. You see we always think in some big catastrophe. That's the normal human way. We're dealing with families here who deal with history and the future intergenerationally, so they can plan to carry something out over 50 or 100, 200, or even 300 years. They do foresee a time where they can convince and rear children to worship, in a sense, mother earth; and Mikhail Gorbachev talked that in his own book called "Towards a New Civilization".  He admits in the book that he himself is an atheist, but then he says in the next chapter, he says, "we" (meaning this global elite. You see that's his part is to deal with this part of the strategy). He said, "We are creating a new world religion which is based and must be based on a form of earth worship."  Therefore they foresee a time, obviously, when they can rear children and indoctrinate them scientifically, which is already being done, and the children themselves will volunteer for sterilization to save mother earth. It will seem quite logical and they'll probably give them certain public bonuses and certain privileges for doing so.


Henrik:  Yes, exactly. Oh my God.


Alan:  You're right with the figure. The 500 million is the figure that keeps coming up. Now Jacques Cousteau talked about it, the man who loved the fish and the animals, didn't like humans very much, especially the general public. Others have mentioned the same figures. Now the World Wildlife Society is a big player in all this. The big, big foundations are big players in social agendas and they all network together in their own specialized area. The World Wildlife Fund have at least three that they admit to, three “arks” they call them, which are cryogenic laboratories. Big huge facilities and the Public Broadcasting television in Canada did a documentary on one of them that's based in Louisiana and it's a huge facility. Big grounds with new buildings and the professor, the lady that was in charge of it is also a professor at the University of Louisiana itself and she showed you around the facility. She says we have pretty well every genotype, every gene type of every insect, plant, animal and even humans in this laboratory. She said we have three worldwide; and not only do they have the genes there, they have done all the experimental processes to perfect “test tubing them,” if you like, inserting them into any kind of donor. In other words, you could put a mountain lion, the sperm and the egg fertilized into the womb of a dog, or a cow, or maybe even a human, and bring it to a certain term and then bring it out by caesarean section and it will be perfect. Everything has been tried and tested and when she was asked the purpose of it, she said, if there's ever a global catastrophe then we have three of these arks worldwide where we can draw from and basically repopulate or re-seed the planet.


Henrik:  That's right and we had talked about this before about there's another facility in Svalbard up in Norway called Global Diversity Trust and this is actually a seed storage bank basically, deep into the mountain up there.  It says, "$37.5 million seed storage plan that will help safeguard crops vital for developing nations for global warming and other threats the head of the UN backed scheme said on Thursday."  Interestingly enough, $300 million actually comes from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. How about that?


Alan:  That makes perfect sense. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the space station, the International Space Station – if you speak the word, it's ISIS (International Space Station).  I wouldn't be surprised that that's another major one in case of – not just of a catastrophe that got out of hand, something they start and can't control, but I think it will be planned. Whatever happens will be planned because the sciences they have with unlimited financing from the taxpayer of the whole world means they can draw on so many resources. They have advanced sciences that are kept quiet from the public, just like they've been spraying us for 10 years now solid from the skies on a global program. Then they also have these advanced sciences. All this stuff that you saw in Star Trek series from the 1960’s didn't come out of the imagination of Gene Roddenberry. Every episode of Star Trek had an allegory of a reality which knew they could produce; because Gene Roddenberry was a member of NASA, which also is a big think tank for planning the scientific part of the future. NASA is not concerned about the exploration of space. That's for the public’s benefit. NASA, it's whole job is a military program and most of their experiments in space and the satellites they're putting up were actually intended for now, the time coming up now, for total observation of the planet and for the Star Wars technology where they can literally, in conjunction with HAARP, they can literally fire different kinds of scalar weaponry at the planet itself. That's the real function of NASA.


Henrik:  I think basically when you get down to studying all of these different things that pop up. Everything from underground bases to these vaults that they're setting up, gene bank storages, whatever, even this in Svalbard is referred to as the Doomsday Vault. I mean isn't that telling something right there?


Alan:  I'd say.


Henrik:  I think it basically is about they're going to terminate as it were this round, they're going to end this particular time that we're on now and basically they want to start anew – that's what I see in a way. They want to create some havoc on the surface.


Alan:  This was discussed 500 years ago. This phase that we're coming up to now we're in was discussed with the higher secret societies that emerged in the open 500 years ago under the different terms; and one of the terms being Rosicrucian, not the kind that you have today where you send away for their booklets, but the actual underground stream. What they meant by that was those who collected the sciences down through the ages and kept them secret from the populace. You'll find even in the quatrains – the quatrains of Nostradamus is meant for those who understand. That's why the exoteric is very interesting. The exoteric captures the minds of the general public, but that's only the outer shell to confuse you. However, the esoteric understandings of the quatrains is a coded version and when you understand the codes you understand that they were planning our future even then. You find that Nostradamus talked about this particular era and he said that an angel from the east – now this could be missiles or whatever, because these guys were no dummies. These guys were experts in sciences and they had knowledge accumulated for thousand of years. He said it would come from the east and ignite the sky and those who would survive would be apart from some deep underground or inside mountains. This falls right in with Francis Bacon's "New Atlantis" where he talks about the Americas where they'd live inside mountains in deep underground. Nostradamus talks about the mansion in the sky, the house in the sky where the elite would live and would look down on this as it happens; and that's the space station.


Henrik:  My God. Or bases on the moon or something like that. Oh my God. Exactly and it seems to be if this is another form of as you say is earth worship in that sense that is going in, there's seems to be a strive for almost creating again new Garden of Eden where the planet is reborn again fresh and all the pestilence of the old humans are gone, that type of scenario.


Alan:  From most ancient times the high secret societies have always said, even to the present day, that their job is to perfect all that was left imperfect. They're talking about plants, animals, the earth itself and especially humans and of course that's the Genesis Project that you're talking about. That's why they had that in the Star Trek – the Genesis Project, the starting anew, and they used to couch it in different terminology 500 years ago. They called it the “underground stream,” those who had the knowledge of the flow of knowledge for thousands of years, knowing that no one else planned the future and therefore whatever they planned and could work together intergenerationally for they could actually accomplish and that's true. If no one else is planning the future, those who are planning it and who take over the money supply and probably give you the money supply to begin with can always pull off what they plan because no one else is planning.


Henrik:  Exactly that's right.  That's also why many people have difficulty realizing that there actually are people planning for the future because they themselves are often so busy, so stressed, worried about very mundane things as it were, important to some degree but mundane yet: Paying the bills. All the day-to-day chores basically, but they're on the top. They have servants walking around handling all the domestic stuff for them and these guys can sit around and plan for future generations or whatever. It's like a totally different scenario and it's totally different way of living a life, and I think that people have to get that first into their head the idea that all people don't live the way that they do and all people don’t think the way that they do.


Alan:  Even 200, 250, 300 years ago in Europe especially in Britain you had a feudal society with a feudal system where the peasantry were given the only education they had from the church. That's all they knew about what they thought was reality. Then the Rothschild's, Lord Rothschild introduced a bill into parliament and it was called the Corn Laws. An idea was that for the first time he and others would bring into Britain huge quantities of crops in order to get all the small peasant farmers off the land and into the cities because they needed to get people in to work in industry that was just taking off at that time. That was the first creation of the planned habitat, these awful cities where they were crowded in like ants together and they worked 16 hours a day.  This is a continuation with habitat areas, using similar means to get us all off the roads, out of the rural areas into the big cities. It's the same ongoing agenda planned, put forward and financed by the same families.


They were doing it 300 years ago. It's quite easy to plan a future when you have everyone living and trained to live on this odd strange thing called money and we're trained at school to just go out and work and collect money – not food, not friends, just money; and who runs the money?  We all accept money because we're indoctrinated. It's the only system they have given us in fact and because of that, it's the only system that we know. We forget that people at one time lived without money a long, long time ago and they were much happier for it, definitely more humane. These guys with money knew even thousands of years ago, especially from about 800 BC when they brought in coin, they knew that they could by selective breeding keep the power and the monies intact. In fact the money would grow as they married others with money and interbreed. They knew that they could plan any kind of future for thousands of years in the future and train their children to take over and have institutions even then working. Today we call them think tanks and foundations, but they'd have these foundations working towards their agenda generation by generation by generation and therefore nothing could be impossible, nothing.


Henrik:  There it is, the system. That is the beast. Again, we get kind of desensitized to the idea because we're so accustomed to it and it has been a part of us our entire life, but many people seldom actually take that time to get the perspective. To actually think about what the money is and what is doing to our civilization and humanity as a whole. It’s incredible. As you say it's a beast and this system is a self-sustaining organism that has taken over and just running. I think even institutions the interest is about keeping the institutions going in order for the people in there to actually have work or something to do to have the income. So many of these facets that are connecting here and much of the root of this problem, as you say, I think also actually does tie us back to the fact of money. You're right there.


Alan:  It's all that. “Money” in the old Hebrew and Aramaic used to mean men; you counted You got up on a box and you counted the heads of people and those were your slaves, so money comes from MON, money, from man.  That's all it is. It's a substitute for slavery. It's a more sophisticated form as Charles Galton Darwin talked about and he had no problem with slavery. He said that it's always existed in the system (he meant civilization, meaning money) slavery in one form or another and he said we are simply introducing a new form of slavery, a more sophisticated form of slavery; and they have done it.


Henrik:  They have. Actually, I saw this brilliant Star Trek episode, speaking of Star Trek, that actually was about a planet where the equivalent of the Roman Empire never collapsed and what they had did was that the Roman Empire basically expanded for 2,000 years more than here on earth and they've developed a system where actually they took slavery to the point where it was the slaves have benefits. They had a salary and all this, and basically, it was all the things that we have today in that sense that we have. We have taken care of you in some sense. You have basically the healthcare. You have somewhere to live but you have to pay the rent and then you have the money. Because with the amount of money that we actually can save up as it were, we can never do any damage to the system. It's all just sustain you at the moment basically and to get you through to the next day basically.


Alan:  The money is the first trick to steal real wealth, because real wealth is barter and barter is between two people who exchange items of necessity and they decide on how many sacks of this is worth so many sacks of that. Money came in as a substitute with the middle man and once you convinced the two negotiators that this is just as good as that sack of oats and you started to believe him, after a generation he starts dictating the purchasing power of that money, so you have no say in it. He now rules you and because of that he can then take back your labor and that's all it is. He takes back your labor because you earned so-many hours to get that coin or that paper note or whatever it is, and he takes it back in the form of taxation. Where even Lenin and all those and they were trained by the top bankers. The left wing was trained by the top bankers because communism is a dialectic of capitalism, so Lenin knew and he said the same thing that people who are taxed by the state for money the state is simply taxing back so much of their labor that they spent that week earning the money so it's a sophisticated form of slavery because you don't think of it as slavery. You’re born into it. If you parents don't know they won't know to tell you so you think it's quite natural that the government should take up to 50 to 60 percent of your earnings back.


Henrik:  Exactly and in most cases all the wishes and dreams are found within the material world nowadays, so people don't think of themselves as slaves because they have the opportunity to buy themselves the nice stuff and everything is provided for you within the system and the structure itself, so people don't even think outside that box and take a look at what they're actually part of because they have something to strive for within the system itself now.


Alan:   Even though what they strive for, if they stop and think about it, they don't own any of it. They think they do, but if you pay tax on your home and if you do not pay your taxes you'll find if you own that home or not, very quickly, because in comes the government and they steal your home. They have different words for it, but stealing is still stealing and they steal your home from you because you couldn't pay. When the mafia ran New York and Chicago, the mafia would go round all the stores and they would say, “give me some money for protection,” and you would say, “protection against whom?”  They say, “from us, or we'll burn your place down or kick you out, kill you and take your property.” That was called extortion. Now when the government does it it's called taxation, or they'll reclaim or possess your home – different terminology to change the perception of the same event.


Henrik:  Isn't that wonderful how they manage to turn it all around?


Alan:  Well I get turtles here. Big, big snapping turtles and they go along the road and across the field. Huge things that sometimes are a meter long with the shell and he carries his home on his back. Now if I tried to pull that shell off that turtle he's going to bite me because I'm going to try to take his home from him, so even the animals know. No, hey, you can't take that, this is nature and I have the right by nature to have a roof over my head. We're the only creature that works our lives and we kill ourselves and have heart attacks trying to get a house and then you pay all the taxes trying to keep the house each time they go up and up and up, and so we never get time to enjoy anything really. Then when you die anyway, the government comes in and even takes it back from death duties, because even when you're dead you've got to pay taxes.  I talked to an agent in the federal government in Canada a while ago and I was told quite candidly that they talk about it amongst themselves. He says everybody works for the government. We all work for the government, all of us, so we're all slaves.


Henrik:  It's as you said, the natural laws of nature or the universe or whatever is taken away from us, the right to sustain yourself in that sense. I mean I don't know if there's any place in the world where you actually can go out into the forests and actually build your own house and plant crops and stuff and grow your own food. There might be some places where they actually don't discover you or something like that, but if it's doable by law I have no idea, but it feels like there's no place left on the planet now.


Alan:  There are a couple of places but I won't tell them because it will become crowded if I do. I think for as far as Europe and the West goes, it's a matter of looking at the big vast expanses where you can become nomadic. In ancient times before we became an agricultural-based society (which was necessary for the monied system), we used to be nomadic and we were like gypsies the natural way we travel with the seasons to different places. So did the American Indians, so they'd have a different camp in the summer. They'd move to another camp in the autumn, another one for the winter and you go to the high grounds in the summer and the low grounds in the winter, and so you had all these. That was a big adventure for the whole tribe and there's something natural about moving like that and settling and moving.  They call civilization the settling of us into these “camps,” you might say, of agriculture and in came the money system to go with it and the priesthoods to dominate your mind and then the taking back of tithes or taxations from you. You ended up working for the high priesthood at one time. Nothing has changed.


Henrik:  That's right and there's many other aspects to why it's bad. In most cases, speaking of agriculture we have these monocultures and huge fields and we plant on the same soil over and over again, but to leave nature and let nature run its cause and its own areas and actually moving around instead of exploiting one area and then moving to the next because it's depleted or whatever. There are so many things that are wrong with that way.


Alan:  That's what I mean, too, because when a child is born into a system and the parents haven't questioned it, the child will not question it either. He'll think it's quite natural. Everything that exists is going to be quite natural to him and that's what Lenin said. He said "there are a thousand directions society could go and different ways of living, but the public must not know this. They must be taught to believe that the one they're born into is the only natural one that could have evolved," and that's how simple this is. There are so many ways we could live. However, all of those alternate ways, even being nomadic or tribal, wandering, would destroy the control of the elitist system and that's why they've tried to eliminate all of those loopholes to sustain yourself, because under the charter of the United Nations it says "interdependence is the only way that will be allowed."  Interdependence means there will be no independence, either between nations or between individuals. Everyone is to be interdependent on the system for all of their needs.


Henrik:  Speaking of that, I did want to bring up an article I had up on a few weeks ago and the article is actually called "Scientists on Acid: The Story Behind Changing Images of Man" and it was picked up from a website called The piece was about a document called "Changing Images of Man" from the Stanford Research Institute, a very interesting article. "Changing Images of Man was an attempt to identify and assess the plausibility of a truly vast number of future possibilities for society."


It goes on to say: We next followed a method of analysis that determined which sequences of possible futures (that is, which "alternate future histories") appeared to be the most plausible in light of human history and to most usefully serve the needs of policy research and development."   In this article it also stated that the funding for this SRI project was provided by something called the Charles F. Kettering Foundation and they also found a very similar project that was called "The Alternative Futures Project" and this was headquartered I think at the University of Illinois. The guys involved in this project were Charles Osgood and Stewart Umbleby and they wrote a report that was entitled "A Computer-based Exploration of Alternative Futures for Mankind 2000."  The report was included in something called "Mankind 2000" that was a book and there was one very interesting paragraph from this report that I want to read here and it says like this:


             "In the organization of a civilization of the future we anticipate that the individualistically-oriented man will become an anachronism. Indeed, he will be viewed as a threat to the group organization as well as to his fellow man. Hence, as stated, he in all likelihood will have few individual expectations. While such a picture may not be pleasant to contemplate, when viewed with our present orientation and value judgment, we would be amiss to deal with unrealistic imageries that would blind us to future reality."


There we have it. If this is the idea of what the future will be, you know I'll bet that the people who pay for these studies and make sure that they are done these studies they're going to make strategic planning towards this kind of scenario of the future.


Alan:  That was the whole idea that we're going towards with the brain chip because at the major meetings they had at Loyola University, the world meetings and this was sponsored by the U.S. Department of Commerce. They said that the brain chip is ready to go and once this is inserted there'll be no such thing as individuality. It will be more like the hive. That's what he said, but it will be impossible for an individual to even perceive of themselves as a distinct separate individual. They've always had this goal because when they had the big discussions and debates of the beginning of Marxism, which was born remember in London and sponsored and paid for in London, they said that the end product will be the end of individuality. That was their goal.


Henrik:  Exactly. The individual-oriented man will become an anachronism and as it said there, he would also become a threat eventually, meaning that if you're a person that don't want to join the hive. If you don't want to be in the collectivism or whatever “ism” it might be that you don't want to join, you're going to be viewed as a threat. You’re going to either be hunted down or taken care of, or people will freeze you out totally, so you'll become a hermit anyways.


Alan:  They had that in Star Trek, too, in the early series, when they landed on a planet and everyone has a brain chip in them and they all say "are you of the body?" was the expression as they greeted each other. Then eventually they found it was a supercomputer that had run this planet for thousands of years keeping the society as it was and it literally controlled everybody's mind, so they understood this whole agenda when they wrote Star Trek. As I say, Roddenberry was a member of NASA. He knew the agenda and he was told to write into an exciting story so that we would become familiar with the idea and that's called predictive programming. It actually comes into existence. We accept it as a natural progression.


Henrik:  You know very interesting that you mention that episode because I think I actually saw that episode last night if I remember correctly. I think it was called "The Apple".  I can link that up to the programming in case people want to look at it. It was available on YouTube and you're right, it was a very interesting episode, so take a look at that.


Alan:  They know the agenda. See all these science fiction writers either take their orders from NASA, because NASA says we want the public to do this in 50 years so you program it through fiction into an exciting way and story form and get them used to the idea, and the other big group is the futurist think tank, The Futurist Society. All the major authors of science fiction go there and they're given grants to write stories around particular topics which they're told to write about. Everything is organized in this system to control our minds, to prepare our minds for what we think is inevitable so that we accept it calmly when it actually comes into being and that's predictive programming.


Henrik:  I think the solution here to this kind of problem that we're facing is to remain strong as an individual, to follow your own line. Do your own thinking and not care about whatever the hive or the herd is up to or doing. I mean they could go rampant on their own and at least as long as there is some place where you actually can live that is outside. Either if it's a huge city or where we have to have a chip to be in there, or if it's some other external thing electromagnetically or something that is happening, but as long as at least we can – there is a possibility to live in the countryside or a wee bit outside and do your own thinking and develop and live your own life and follow your own dreams. I think that is the best solution to it all. As long as people want to be in that kind of group mentality or hive or whatever and if they have that sensor, that background, or even if they're programming into doing it, I think that when people are ready to turn away from that or to develop their own individuality. Or when something happens to them that actually makes them awaken, I think they'll be ready to move out from that, but until that time I don't see it in a way to be our job to try to break these people from that mold. It feels like many of these people as I said kind of want to be in that scenario as it is now.


Alan:  A lot of people and they’ve done all the studies on it to see how effective it is. Eighty percent of the public are hypnotics and Aldous Huxley talked about this in his speech he gave at Berkeley back in the 1960’s and that was from Tavistock Institute, so these were accurate figures that they'd done surveys over many years and found them to be consistent. Eighty percent of the public are instantly hypnotizable, meaning at all times, at all times they are suggestible, so they never question the reality as it's been presented to them from birth. Twenty percent need more work, maybe twice as long to prepare them to be hypnotized, which only leaves 20 percent in any generation who cannot be hypnotized. Therefore the target of the elite have always been the individuals within that 20 percent. Now within that 20 percent of more aware people, you'll find some who commit suicide in the young because they can't fit in to the society. They don't have the knowledge to realize, no, they're not failures. It's the system that's rigged. It's all phony and so there is only a small percentage comes through into adult life and acquires the knowledge of wisdom of what's really going on.  That's the group that they decided hundreds of years ago would be their major problem at this crucial time and that's why they're going after individuality. They said that China, being the model state for the world, they’ll use those techniques of either social approval or social disapproval to alienate that small percentage of individualistically minded people. Now in China, that's what they use for a woman who is now pregnant with a second child. They don't have to bring the militia or the police now to take her to the abortion clinic. They've got the public so conditioned the neighbors when they notice will drag her to the abortion clinic. That's called the creation of instilled social disapproval – the Pavlovian technique that works with most people.


Henrik:  That's right. They’re self-policing. They don't even need you say a force to implement that because it's self-sustaining. Oh my God. 


Alan:  Therefore it's the same technique that will be brought in with those individuals who will not succumb. The 80 percent in society who live in a world of hypnosis and suggestibility and their ideas are marketed right into their brains, they will shun the individual. They will be taught to shun the individual, just like religious groups would do with people who didn't want to continue to be with them.


Henrik:  Exactly. Be a part of that. We are going to continue with our second hour with Alan Watt and we are going to talk about television, pharmaceuticals, vaccines, sacrifice, population control and the acclimatization of the culture of death among other things. Before we finish off this segment I also want to mention Alan's websites: and  Articles, audio blurbs and DVDs are up there for you to check out. Thanks to our producer Fredrik Palmgren for handling the audio and thanks to you for tuning in. We will back on Thursday. Until then, take good care. The website is on



(Transcribed by Linda)