(Episode: Colonization, Mayflower and Fertility Rites)

Part 1 of February 25, 2007 Broadcast


Henrik:  Welcome to Red Ice Creations Radio. This is Internet talk radio available through our website I'm your host, Henrik Palmgren and we are recording from the West Coast of Sweden. Thank you for tuning into this Sunday edition of our program and today we have back with us on the show our monthly regular Alan Watt and it's always a pleasure and a treat to spend time cutting through the matrix with Mr. Watt, and Alan's website of course is or you can try .net also. Check it out. Follow along in his excellent audio blurbs and take a look at the books and the DVDs and all the material that he's got available there for you.  So I hope things have been going good since we last spoke, Alan. Welcome. It's great to have you back on the line.

Alan:  It's a pleasure to be here.

Henrik:  Great, great. We received a few emails about a few weeks ago regarding your website being down and so forth and your audio blurbs were not available. I guess you had some issues over there, but everything is back and up and running now, I guess.

Alan:  Yes, I gave a talk on disclosed and verified information on the CIA bringing in the drugs to sell on the streets of the U.S. and rehashing the old Iran-Contra deal, and someone at the top didn't like it, I think, rehashing this kind of stuff, and put the word in to give me a hard time.

Henrik:  So did someone attack the web server or something like that? Do you know where this came from? 

Alan:  Well, Yahoo pulled one of the sites down, went round in circles, didn't ever really get to the bottom of it, and also at the same time I was getting viruses and Trojans sent into the website. So someone got annoyed.

Henrik:  Maybe a hint that you’re on the right track.

Alan:  This is the sort of nonsense they do. They do this kind of stuff for harassment's sake. You know it's quite easy for them to do since they can get into anybody's site; that's by law that government agencies can get into anybody's site and play around with it.

Henrik:  And it takes a lot of time and I guess that's the main issue in one sense is that it takes such a long time to get things back up and running again, and by then you're behind on the work and behind on the email answering and so forth and all that.

Alan:  In fact, one weekend can set you back two weeks.

Henrik:  No doubt.

Alan:  Quite easily.

Henrik:  Absolutely. Okay, so we’re glad things are up and running and you have a few mirror sites more now, I guess, because traffic has been heavy on all of your sites, I guess.

Alan:  Yes and it's also a safety in case, again, Yahoo could pull the sites at any time. Then it suddenly dawned on me that you could lose all your information and then have no backup, so at least this way – it could be done, but it's highly unlikely, they could pull all the sites at once.

Henrik:  On different Internet ISP companies or something like that so it's more difficult. All right, last time we talked during our regular show we finished off on a note about the Mayflower and maybe it would be appropriate to just spend some time on this, talking about kind of the beginnings of the Americas and how, why and when the continent was colonized at first. You know we recently there were the – what was it, the 275th birthday of founder and Masonic president of the U.S. George Washington and a simple search I guess on Wikipedia on the Mayflower of course states that the Mayflower was the ship that transported the pilgrim fathers from Plymouth, England, to Virginia, U.S.  Alan, are you saying there is something to add to that?

Alan:  Obviously this wasn't the first part of the colonization and yet so much attention is given to this particular group coming in. People have been coming in for a long time beforehand, but it became almost part of the American tradition that there's something very special about the Mayflower coming in. They've never really gone into it, except when you follow the history of the Mayflower it was to do with families from different parts of Europe that went under a cover of Christianity. They tended to be very wealthy families and going under a sort of Puritan guise and their ancestry often were into revolutionaries in different parts of Europe, the Waldenses and different sects. They ultimately all became part of the Puritan movement and they moved into the U.S.; and even as I say the name of the ship, the Mayflower, May Day is their big day in the mysteries.

Henrik:  So these are the Pilgrims. Do you know why they call it this?  The name, where does it come from?

Alan:  A Pilgrim was often, especially in the 1800's in fact, it was common in Freemasonic meetings when you met someone to call them a Pilgrim or a traveler. It was one who was on the journey seeking that which was lost. That's what they would say, "Are you a Pilgrim?" and so it's part of a mystery religion and I'm sure lots of the Puritans came in and they were actually descended from the Albigensians of Europe.

Henrik:  This is a family bloodline?

Alan:  That and almost a separate religion which could almost emulate and simulate Christianity but it had an esoteric side to it as part of a mystery-type religion. The Cathars and Albigensians, in parts of Europe, they rivaled the Catholic Church at one time. They also had an almost mirror-type image of the Catholic hierarchy structure. They were very wealthy people. They had their own bishops and priests, but they had almost a mirror image and yet an opposite viewpoint on what the god was, and the god of the world was the enemy according to them and therefore he who ruled the world was Satan and anything of the world was Satan's. They also had a form of almost reincarnation belief tucked away hidden in the esoteric side of their religion that was kept quiet from the lower orders.

Henrik:  Sounds very Gnostic I guess in some terms?

Alan:  Yes, and also they believed that it was doing a child no favor to bring them into this world. There's a lot written during the inquisitions about them. We don't know how much is true because obviously those who are the victors always defame those that they beat; but, over and over again, we do know they had almost communal-type celebratory days or festivals which in a sense were orgiastic.

Henrik:  Do you think that some of these actually infiltrated themselves within the Catholic Church and stuff like this? I mean it must have happened in--

Alan:  Oh, I'm sure of it. In fact, when they scattered, it's odd, here's the Vatican declaring the last Crusade, which was not in the Middle East, it was in parts of Europe, and it was against the Cathars and the Albigensians. That was the last Crusade that was ordered by the papacy and they chased them. They didn't all get killed or slaughtered. Many of them did and you'll find from the Holy Blood, Holy Grail, this kind of stuff, this what they're always leading to, with those that escaped with the relics of their holy religion. They always wrap it in without telling the whole story, because they were wrapped in with the Templars and different organizations, brotherhoods, even though they were mainly a lay-type organization where they did marry, as opposed to the Knights Templars, they didn't marry, but they had their lay organization and the Cathars and Albigensians seemed to have been it.

Henrik:  Interesting. You mentioned the Puritans. For those that don't know, what is this group? Is this a Christian group?

Alan:  The Puritans – it was almost a reverting to the Old Testament laws, where everything became somber, there was to be no dancing, no gaiety, no happiness, just hard work and praising God quietly. That was the Puritan movement. It was really financed from Holland into existence, especially in England through Oliver Cromwell. His whole army was financed by Holland, the bankers of Holland, and they took over Britain for a while and introduced the Puritan movement. It was a time when everything was very, very strict. There was no spontaneity. They didn't allow music in the churches. It was all very, very somber and they wore black of course.

Henrik:  You know one thing that comes to mind is the Amish people. Very interesting. Do you think that these are connected with the Puritans in any way?

Alan:  You will find that all of them have their roots around the same time period. Amish and different groups originated in Germany. They kept a lot of the traditions and the language often. When I look at groups like the Amish, or the Mennonites, I see it a bit differently. I see them all almost like experiments in controlled breeding because you're taking a group out of a population and within that group you arrange marriages (and their marriages are arranged) and you can select under a controlled study of who marries whom and it's almost an experiment in breeding. That's how I see these things and the same with the Mormons.

Henrik:  Do they pick each other's wives and so forth thereto in the Mormons?

Alan:  Very, very often their wives are picked for them. Then the Mennonites, for instance, there's big money involved in marriages because they tend to be pretty wealthy people, Mennonites and Amish, and when weddings take place, it's almost a business deal between the families because big estates are involved, often very large tracts of land, lots of money. There's a lot more than just – they don't allow them just to pick their own mate.

Henrik:  Oh, okay. One thing that comes to mind when speaking about the Mormons, is it feels like there's a lot of Old Testament connections in going back to the stuff about Israel and so forth. I know that there is some Freemasonic connection to it all, but do you know about the Salt Lake, the area, is the connection between Israel and the Salt Lake in – I don't know. Do you know what the region is called?

Alan:  There's the Dead Sea as well. The Dead Sea in Israel is salt.

Henrik:  That's right yeah.

Alan:  And so there's a connection to an extent there, but I think it's even more so than that. Joseph Smith is the founder of the Mormon group, and once again, you'll find that Joe Smith was a freemason. You can find that they have an order called the Elect for men within Mormonism and when you become an Electi and you're elected in, you go through the same rituals and the same secret oaths as freemasonry. They're identical. They are the same. They’re one and the same thing. I think once again this is another control group for experimentation on controlled breeding.

Henrik:  Interesting. Regarding the Dead Sea of course, I guess there's a lot of salt lakes around the place. We've even got a salt lake or salt core as we call it in Sweden, salt cabadan, and stuff like this, so I guess there's a lot of places that this kind of connects with. Again, returning to the Swedish theme here, but that's how it is considering that we are here as it is now; but regarding the Mayflower itself, I don't know if you guys either in Canada or in the U.S. have something like this, but we have school kids going around door to door and selling the Mayflower on – I guess this is on the day of May 1st actually, of course connecting this with the big union protestors and I guess you have Labor Day over there and this is on May 1st also. Isn't that right?

Alan:  That's right. It was the time of regeneration. If you go back into the older mysteries, which existed in even pre-Christian times, they had the Maypole celebration where you danced around the maypole with its red and white streamers coming down, the male and the female, and it was a time for as I say regeneration. It was a time also when the young were encouraged to go off with the young into the forests and have intercourse. The children that were produced or were conceived on May Day were often called Robin and that's where you get the name Robinson, because you were conceived on that particular day. These were all pre-Christian celebrations. There was an excellent movie put out years ago. It was one of the first more esoteric movies that was ever created and it was called The Wicker Man, first made in the 1960's, I believe, and that showed you the May celebrations with the maypole with all the sexual innuendo involved and the old pagan magic rituals involved within it.

Henrik:  Oh, okay. We have a lot of stuff also, of course, we have the maypole and this is of course on mid-summers eve primarily up here in Sweden at least have the maypole and all this and this of course the symbol itself is two circles hanging on one pole actually pointing down into the earth. It's like the willy fertilizing the earth basically.

Alan:  That's right. That's exactly right. These are very old pre-Christian parts of a religion – it's the pantheistic religion. That's the amazing thing. The more you go into the mystery religions, you'll find they're completely interwoven with the standard religions we're given and hidden within the standard religions, through all of them. They all have the same esoteric stories hidden within them and behind it all you find obviously a connecting factor and maybe even a connecting priesthood that run them all. I think they still do run them all, all the religions, and you'll see their symbols all around you growing up and most folks take them for granted. They don't realize they’re looking at an actual religious symbol, whether it's a maypole, the rose; you'll see the rose above every old church door symbolizing the spirit, the soul, and a of course the light shines through onto the priests within and he represents the son of God. He is the son of God during that time the light shines on him. You see, we live in a world where people see things, they practice things and they don’t know what they mean.

Henrik:  Absolutely. It's a big ritual ongoing and we have no clue and I think we can even pick up on this in modern culture. I don't how far this goes back, but when you said regarding the regeneration aspect of this, we actually again in Sweden have something called March also taking place on May 1st. Actually where a bunch of school kids are going out I guess almost definitely if there's forest around in the area, a walk through the forest and the kids have things with them they have built or constructed, stuff in paper, tied it to sticks and so forth that makes sounds. I think at the time when we do this when we were small we don't understand it, but it feels like it's part of a ritual that actually is about awakening spring in the area.  That's what it feels like to me and I guess we could connect this with Easter also because this is basically during the same period I think and again we go back to--

Alan:  It's all connected, absolutely. As I say, they used to have the May celebration and what you'd find is that the young girls would dress, they'd put garlands of flowers around them symbolizing the feminine again, fertility. The males would often dress up with green and so they symbolize nature. That's the green man of freemasonry. Every mason in a sense becomes a green man, the man of nature, the man of the woods; and the residing priest or the head man would have green but he would also have a red hat on, so he portrayed the robin you see and again that's why they call them the son of Robin. All those that were conceived because of the May mating were called Robinson.

Henrik:  Robin Hood?

Alan:  That too. That Robin Hood is all symbolic of that. He wore a cloak of green. He lived in the green woods.

Henrik:  I've even heard that in the Sherwood Forest was actually the home of the Rothschild's. Do you know about this?

Alan:  Well I'll tell you it's closer to the truth and it's much, much older than that even; because when Rome first came into Britain, they didn't make their headquarters in what became London. They moved into that area where Lincoln was, Lincolnshire, and they called their main city Bath.  B-A-T-H.  They did have the Roman baths there, the hot water springs, and they had piped-in plumbing and everything.  You can still have walks round the old places today, but that was also their banking headquarters when they first came into Britain. If you look at the old Roman names that they gave to those parts of Britain, that part was called Heboracum (Eboracum).  That was their banking headquarters.

Henrik:  Do you know what it means, Heboracum? 

Alan:  Well it really meant "Hebrew" from "Habiru" because that was the bankers of ancient times, probably nothing to do with the more modern ones, but those were the bankers and they called that whole area Heboracum. It later became called York and that York for a long time was the center of power for royalty, the Duke of York and the banking enterprise of old England for a long time and wherever the bankers moved they called the place York. Now you have New York.

Henrik:  Sure. There we go. Round and round we go in these circles all the time.

Alan:  Yes, for 2,000 years up to the present.

Henrik:  You know, regarding green, when is St. Patrick's Day over there in the States?

Alan:  It’s not on the same date St. Patrick's Day. I think it's later.

Henrik:  Okay, so this might not have something to do with the green and spring celebration in that sense?

Alan:  I'm sure in a sense it does, just a different date. Everywhere where you see green you're symbolizing nature and for instance in the nearest town to me there was a Masonic group for the Knights of Columbus who had their headquarters in Sudbury and they had an artist paint on the entire end of the wall of the building a picture of a woman sitting with her child on a park bench and behind her is big tree, green. In the tree there's a face. That's the face of the green man of nature. Now her husband is standing up. He's a freemason. His face is also reflecting green and his son the woman's holding is also green. It's telling you that nature passes through the male line and of course green symbolizes life.

Henrik:  I don't know if we can connect these two, but the green man was also known as Pan. Is this the same deity?

Alan:  Pan comes into it too. Pan again is a sort of goat man. He's the climber as well. He climbs to high places. He's got the ability to go up the mountains and go higher than other species. That's the symbology of Pan, but he is also a man of nature and he will follow nature. Now, for those who control the world, they control it through understanding human nature, both male and female, and they use either one according to the time period and the agenda. They will focus more on changing the woman's outlook or the male's outlook depending on what suits them at the time.

Henrik:  Interesting. Again regarding – I guess if we are to take back this to the regeneration aspect of this symbology connecting the bunny with spring and with playboy, more stuff like this going on in our modern culture referring back to all of this. I remember an incidence going on here, I guess it was last Easter we had I think it was [Victoria S.] one of the Swedish foldout centerfold babes basically. On the front covers on the billboards (what is it called? you know, the paper, when you're going to buy the paper) the headline sign at the front with this picture of this woman exactly on the day of Easter and again it felt like this regeneration ritual going on right in the face, basically, trying to get people I guess aroused around that period and so forth. I don't know. I'm going to track it again this year and see if this is something that returns. I don't know.

Alan:  I'm sure it will. Everything that you see when it comes to these rituals and formulas, formulas fixed to dates and times which have been here for a long, long time, you can always count on it as part of an inner religion that has always existed within your culture and is known by those who join – well, not all of them, but the ones who get higher up in the mystery schools. They understand it. However, the bunny rabbit is always part of it. You can actually break it down. You can break down the names they even give to things to understand them. They say that we speak our reality into existence and in fact we're speaking their realities into existence. Bunny rabbit, if you just take the spoken word and forget how it’s really spelled, that is "B" and then you have "UN" for one in French and then you have "Y" you see. You'll find the "Y" crops up all through masonry and higher masonry because it's the male chromosome.

Henrik:  The "Y" chromosome, that's right. I remember.

Alan:  We know that eventually they want to create a perfected man and they really want to ultimately do away with the female all together as being irrelevant in a system to come in the future. It worked on that. That's the whole push towards genetics in one direction only and that's to perfect man. Not for man's sake, but to make man to be a better slave. So Y is the representation of the male always. So B-1-Y.

Henrik:  I guess we could turn this back to the stage magician pulling a bunny out of the rabbit, right?

Alan:  Of the hat.

Henrik:  Of the hat, yes of course.

Alan:  That's right.

Henrik:  It's right there apparently and regarding I guess Mayday again. Do you know if this actually is the birthday so to speak of the Illuminati 1776?

Alan:  It's seems to be; they put that down as that. There's no doubt they picked that date to coincide with that which they already believed in. They picked that day to match the religion they already followed. They were basically bringing it out into the open for the first time.

Henrik:  May of course is the fifth month of power year and again I guess as you said this is regeneration and first. I don't know if May is considered the first as summer month. I guess it's the first spring month I guess.

Alan:  It also depends on whose calendar you go by.  You see, in the old Roman Empire, pre-Christian, their year would start in March and so May was the trinity, the first part of the trinity, in the old religion. Nowadays they have the five-pointed star to represent freemasonry and so it's the fifth month.

Henrik:  Fifth month, of course. I don't know what your take on this is, but I get the sense that the United States as a whole kind of is something that is encompassing the female or it's like the manifestation of a goddess, considering I guess the Statute of Liberty and all of this going into that. Is this something you would agree on?

Alan:  The Statute of Liberty is neither male nor female. It's a hermaphrodite. If it was a female, look at the muscles on it.

Henrik:  I've got to check that out. I never thought about it.

Alan:  Look at the thickness of the neck.  You look at the shape of the body and then you look at Oliphant and those guys who designed it and brought it over from France, who were all high masons, whose symbol often was the hermaphrodite, the perfection of the two into one, but where logic would ultimately rule over the emotion. You'll find the symbol of the sun in different times has taken a more male form or a female form. When the capital of the ancient world was in the Island of Rhodes in the Mediterranean, they had what they called the Colossus, that was their symbol, and they had a naked Apollo overlooking the harbor, just like the one in New York, with the crown round his head. The crown of thorns of Jesus is the same thing. The thorns are the rays of the sun coming out. That's what it symbolizes and the one they had in ancient Rhodes, he also held up a torch, meaning he was a light bringer. He was Prometheus as well, so this is the old mystery religion coming out down through all the ages and always appearing at different times and the public don't even know what they're looking at. Jesus was the same thing.

Henrik:  You had said that in other – I don't know if it was a blurb I was listening to, but regarding the idea that it's as you say the same religion over and over just prepackaged in new forms, new ideas and new names basically I guess.

Alan:  Yes. It's the same thing. Even the ancient one of the Colossus of Rhodes was built with thousands of tons of bronze just the same way and copper. This one here for a Christianized era they had to at least give it clothing, but if you look at the shape, as I say, technically it's neither male nor female. It's the hermaphrodite.

Henrik:  And this is to reflect the aspects of the sun?

Alan:  It's part of the sun. It's even deeper than that. It's to do with the ancient religion which they believe in. For instance, they believe that you can be a god on earth if you rise high enough. You'll find even in the Christian versions of Christianity, like the King James in England or Scotland-England, they changed I think it was the eighth Psalm where it describes man and it said – in early Hebrew it says he was made a little lower than the gods. King James had it changed and put him lower than the angels because he didn't want people believing they were sacred. He wanted to rule over them and so there's another religion hidden within which is to do with godhood and is contained within Christianity too. It's also in old Judaism where you'll see Moses and so on meeting Melchizedek.  Melchizedek and often statues of Melchizedek are to be found in the higher freemasonic lodges because they gave to Melchizedek the same tribute that you would give to a god, and so it's an esoteric religion to do with gods who walk the earth.

Henrik:  You know regarding the angels, there's an order here in Sweden called the Seraphim Order, which of course is a Hebrew word for a particular class of angels, and as it is now I think that this order only foreign people and of course Swedish royalty are allowed within the order, but when you actually look at the names associated with the Seraphim it is names like Lucifer and Astarte and there are a number of others in there, but again it feels like actually attributing this order to the class of the fallen angels.

Alan:  Oh, absolutely. That's the inner one, because they say themselves at the higher levels – now whether it's for public consumption or if it's the truth, you can always guess, but they say that they believe that they're descended from the rebels who were cast here; and the reason for their inbreeding, supposedly, is because when they were cast here there were already humans here, but they being pure spirit so they had to form the first human bodies for themselves to inhabit, which were perfect, so they willed matter into shaping bodies for themselves. It's a nice fairy tale.

They say that when they started to inbreed with the population that was here, they began to lose their special powers and so they had to go back to keeping genealogies and inbreeding again; and sure enough, whether people like it or not, one thing is undeniable, that right up to the present day these people do have their mates selected from long genealogical lines. Very, very old lines and that can't be denied.

Henrik:  Exactly. Do you think there is actually something to the concept that these – or are they trying to create these myths about themselves or surrounding themselves? What do you think?

Alan:  There's two ways to look at it. One is, yes, it could be intrigue for the public because they love to give us drama to talk about and be mystified by; and then there's a practical side to it because going back even to Plato, who was a member of the Greek aristocracy or royalty you might say, who was trained like all aristocracy was trained from Greece in Egypt and taught the whole mysteries, he said the same thing. He showed how he could differentiate himself and his own kind, his own class, from the rest of the people and he would do it by dialogue and proof by intellect. What he said was, the reason that we the aristocracy understand concepts and sciences is because it's familiar to us because we reincarnate. That's what he said.

Henrik:  And the other bunch don't.

Alan:  There were just, like the Egyptians said, the commoners who picked their own mates, once they died their souls just withered away and didn't carry on with any memory. That was the old belief of the old religions.  However, Plato also had a practical side because he said – he was into eugenics as they all were and that's the practical side, is that if you want say for instance a good scientist who has to do with physics, you would obviously pick a woman and a male who were both very good at the same thing, with a fairly good chance the offspring could inherit the same abilities, especially if you'd then taught them at a very early age to be very, very good at that; and so they understood just like you're breeding animals for domestic animals. He explained that in his book, "The Republic," for the world to come that they would create new types of humans for specialized jobs and so on, and the guardian class, as he called his class, would run the world and control the world and always interbreed to keep the same qualities they had then, which was superior intellect.

Henrik:  Regarding the interbreeding and keeping the bloodlines. I don't know if this was a news item or just speculation that actually drew parallels between I think it was one of the ancient Egyptian pharaohs. I can't remember his name now, but that the Bush family line actually was related to these guys and again I don't know if this is the truth, but I mean do you think that they actually can sit up there on these power thrones today and actually believe that today that stuff?

Alan:  They could believe it or they could be the patsies. See what I've found in this system, at the top they have a group like Plato talked about who technically did no work. Anyone who does any kind of work is inferior, so all of those who work and are in the public eye, the public image, are still workers; and for good workers who have been promised to be brought up into godhood you might say, it's good to fool them as well, so I wouldn't be surprised. They have tremendous egos so they love to be flattered with news such as you're related to an ancient pharaoh for instance. You'd be amazed at how incredibly egotistical these people are and how they love to be told this kind of story about themselves. I know that Prince Charles was on the media a few years ago and he said himself, he says, I go all the way back to David of the Tribe of Judah, and then in another interview he says, I go all the way back to Noah.

Henrik:  Again, I mean this stuff keeps coming up, but the line of Cain seems to be in there a lot and I don't know why that is at this point yet, but do you have any ideas?

Alan:  What it is, the Old Testament is a rule book for a system and under the guise of giving you stories they can camouflage the system, and that's why that book is used in every Masonic temple because that's the rule book for how this system works. There's allegories behind the outer stories, so the allegories have the real meaning. The outer stories are meant for public consumption. Cain comes from the same root word as king. It comes from the same root word as Cohen, which is priest, and Kahn is priest, and even coin because they introduced the first money. All of that is to do with the system itself, a priesthood that runs this particular system.

THIS SYSTEM IS ARTIFICIAL. THE OLD SYSTEM WAS NATURAL. The pre-coinage pre-monied system was natural. What they tell you in a biblical sense is that Cain who was – and again they'll say he was the offspring of Lucifer and Eve, meaning Lucifer was wisdom married to Eve, produced an intellect and so his descendants like Tubal-Cain become the first artificers; they made, they were scientists, they created weaponry and they could work metals.

In other words, this system that we know today, which is all materialistic and to do with sciences, is to do with a priesthood going back for thousands and thousands of years, a secret society which always keeps the knowledge of science hidden from the public and gives us a very old version of science so that we never figure out how far ahead we really are.

Henrik:  This keeps on coming up again and again. Tubal-Cain, I guess one of the builders of Solomon's temple I guess and he was a craftsman, a blacksmith or something like that again this could be connected with the deity of Vulcan.

Alan:  Vulcan was the old thunder god.

Henrik:  Thor?

Alan:  That's right. The volcano god, the Volcanos they called him. Sure, it's all connected. As I say, within bibles you're given a truth which is esoteric, which is never explained by ministers or priests to the public because really they don't themselves; but there's a complete inner story to do primarily with sciences hidden inside the Old Testament and the whole idea – see, once you read a story and you picture the people as people, you've lost it. It's written in such a way as to confuse you. Once you imagine a person struggling through the desert, you'll remember that for the rest of your life and it's hard to see the meaning behind. It's nothing to do with real people. It's to do with a system and branches of a system that keeps the system going. It's an inner religion and so Cain is just a symbol of an artificer who made stuff for war, you see. Through war you conquer others and you create empires and you dominate and use new slavery et cetera, and you do it through craftiness, you're a craftsman, and you understand the metals; through science, in other words. It's all to do with the sciences.

Sure enough, in the Middle Ages when the Rosicrucians came forward, they said that they would conquer nature by understanding nature; in other words, through science. You would perfect that, meaning the world and everything in it and especially man himself. They would perfect man by the sciences by understanding and unlocking the secrets of nature and that's been their goal not just since then, that was their goal thousands of years ago.

Henrik:  In that kind of philosophy there's no sense or context in that sense with a god-like character that actually arrange and create nature according to that all you see around you actually is perfect because it works and goes around and so forth and sustains itself, but in this philosophy it seems like again, I guess connecting back with the first group that we were talking about that actually sees nature and all of this in that as kind of like Satan's creation basically. I don't know.

Alan:  What it is, is that they give you a story – see, Satan and Lucifer were two different characters. Satan – the Arabs call it Sheatan, or Shetan, and so it also comes from the root word Saturn, you see, and so Saturn in the mystery religions, that's where all priests and so on come from. They wear the black robe, so Saturn is a part of a system we live in and that's where you see judges wearing black robes and people in university wearing black robes. That's part of the inner religion. They run the sciences of the system and the law of the system.

Lucifer was a different one. Lucifer was the most intelligent one, so his gift was intelligence, but he also was the chief musician; meaning through the use of the muses, as the Greeks would call it, the muses, he could captivate and hold a culture through his ability of music and drama et cetera. In other words, culture creation; you could lead the people through like a bull by the nose if you understand how to uses the muses. Each one has a gift and what they're telling you there is each part of this particular system and how it works, how it's run and how the general population have no idea that nothing in their system is theirs and they have no say in it. We are directed along a course, pre-planned, not destined, but planned by people who understand this very old religion and they have all the money in the world to do it. They hire thousands of think tanks. They have the next 100, 200, 300 years mapped out already. They knew in the 1500's that towards the end of the millennium, and they wrote about it 500 years ago, that they would make the biggest changes the world has ever seen and they would also unite the world. They knew that then.

Henrik:  You know this is very interesting and I want to continue on this theme just in a few minutes when we continue talking. I cannot I guess tie these together in a way in correlation to the discovery of the Americas connecting Cortez and Pissarro I guess working for the Vatican and this idea as you say that actually 500 years ago was in this region. I'm going to ask you if there could be a connection with the Maya people and so forth here, but one thing that just comes to mind of course is regarding the time as you say and connecting with Saturn, because I guess Saturn is also known as Cronos--

Alan:  That's right.

Henrik:  Or the crown or the guy with the hourglass basically on the sickle, right?

Alan:  The sickle.

Henrik:  So we have the communist socialistic connecting with this as we were talking about last month very much so. So yeah, there we have it. You know we have just about one minute left here in this section, but as always I'd like to finish off for leaving the floor open, so if there's something you want to share with us or of course plug your website and you've got a few books out there and DVDs and so forth.

Alan:  Yes, there's stuff they can purchase. There's a lot of free stuff there on and I put more up every week and I go into the mysteries here and there and I will be putting a whole series out on the mysteries with the histories with the agenda from A to Z. It’s not pleasant but people have to know the truth if they want to do anything about it and they have to be willing to look at the truth to change things.

Henrik:  You've got or try .net to reach Alan's website and do support his work. As I said, check out the website. There's a lot of books and DVDs and material for you right there. We'll just take a short break and we will be right back.  You have been listening to Red Ice Creations Radio. You can find us at


(Transcribed by Linda)