Part 2 of February 25, 2007 Broadcast


Henrik:  I was interested to hear if you have got any takes on that, and that is of course the Mayan people and I guess even the Mayan calendar in one sense. I've always been curious to know if when the Vatican people I guess were going over there actually found some stuff that they themselves actually picked up on relating to the end of time or something like that in regards to picking up something from their religion.  You know they had the Quetzalcoatl character over there and so forth.  Is this something you can go into, do you know something about that?

Alan:  I think, to be honest, the whole Mayan thing is either over done or deliberately put there as a red herring.

Henrik:  Exactly, yes.

Alan:  It fascinates people, the whole thing, but no one's deciphered any calendar yet.  That's the bottom line. In fact, they've had that stone for a hundred-odd years and there was only some initial science fiction writers who began to write about it as though it were a calendar; so it hasn't been deciphered. Now we have to realize, too, like Adam Weishaupt said, the greatest way to attract people into a movement is to give them a great mystery.

Henrik:  Yes, indeed.

Alan:  He was, remember, the founder of one the sects of the Illuminati, so we should always take good note of what they say. They're very good at giving us red herrings down through history to chase, which always fascinates us, and yet would bring you to the conclusion that they want you come to, which is that there's nothing you can do about something, it's preordained, it's planned and then you go along with it. Now that's the same trick they used with Revelations in the Bible for thousands of years. "You can't do anything about it. See, it's written in that book. It's going to happen anyway." It's the same trick to make you believe that everything is futile and you just have to go along with things because you can't do anything about it.  This is a predictive programming that's understood in the higher mystery schools.

Maya, if you were to speak in spoken words – remember, first god spoke the worlds into existence. That means the god, meaning the system itself, is spoken into existence. It means take care of the spoken word before you take the spell of the spelling. The spell can put you under a spell. That's why it's called spelling. That's not joke and so the spoken word you have Maya, which is "I AM," backwards.

Every freemason must say "I AM" to reach his higher self, you see. We have to realize that even the names, the modern names we give to these people are not the same names they had a few hundred years ago. They're modern names we've given to them, or somebody gave to them.

Henrik:  If you punch up May on just simply Wikipedia it comes from the Greek goddess Maya spelled Maia, and I mean again then we can connect May as we spoke of in the regular show with this name that they've given to these South American people called the Maya. I'm sure they don't call themselves that. I don't know.

Alan:  Really, the closest you would get to what they were called before was Maize, because it means the corn, you see, and their whole life used to revolve around their food, which was the corn, the maize. It's been changed over the last hundred-odd years, so it's a recent term and we have to ask why they gave a new term, and it's Masonic. What you have to also realize is that the higher boys who are pushing this stuff that seem to come from South or Latin America are also Freemasons, including the chiefs. Aleister Crowley himself, who was up there with the OTO and was a member of pretty well every Masonic organization and had gone up the degrees in them all, he completed his degrees in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry down in Latin America by a native chief that gave him the ending degrees.  He brought him up the last degrees.

Henrik:  Interesting.

Alan:  They control the whole system including what seems to be native populations; the chiefs generally are Freemasons and you can't trust them.

Henrik:  You know, my honest view is I'm fascinated by the Mayan calendar and I mean in that sense I might fall right into that trap or whatever, but at the moment I'm researching this stuff trying to get smart about it. Try to just figure out what it is and so forth, so I mean it's great to just talk about it and elaborate on the possibilities of it, but again, I think that it is nonetheless even if this is a fake created calendar and all this and so forth, it's still intriguing because there still actually plugging this date of 2012 meaning the big change or what have you that you spoke about earlier actually might be something that is upcoming from their point of view.

Alan:  It is upcoming because by 2010, and this is disclosed now, the unification of the Americas must be complete. By 2012, the United Nations is to be given complete authority as the official World Government. What they do is, always, first of all, they put it into predictions, peddle that to the public. The public grab it because they're fascinated because they love the mystery and the mystique, and then before they know it there're being programmed to accept this as inevitable. That's how you train the public. You make them believe it's inevitable.

Henrik:  I mean I've heard a few stories I guess regarding that the Maya or the Aztecs and/or the Incas also were actually anticipating the return of this bearded white man coming across the Atlantic Ocean even I guess bearing a symbol of the cross. Do you know if there is any validity to that story at all?

Alan:  I'm certain of it.  You see, the Knights Templars when they were disbanded – well, actually they fled. The Knights Templars were not all caught. Only a few were caught, really, and persecuted and put to death in France. The Templars had their own fleet of ships and it's never been disclosed where they went with their treasure and all the rest of it.  However, they did have a base on the West Coast of Scotland and they used that base in Argyllshire. You see the old graves there, I used to walk through them, the Knights Templars graves, and they used that base to go to the Americas.

They were in the Americas hundreds of years before Columbus came along and they'd already initiated the chiefs into their own brotherhood. You'll see the same symbols in Latin America too as you'll see within the Knights Templars organization. The man who came across South America, it wasn't just one man because he appeared all over the continent, they gave him different names, but he always wore the same uniform with the Red Cross. The Red Cross was the Knights Templar and they were shown how to build things and they were shown mathematics and geometry, and so they were here long before.

I think it's so interesting. You see, the Knights Templars claimed they would take over the world by the domination of money, having all of the money in the world. Isn’t it interesting that a people come in, white people come in dressed like Knights Templars. They train these people to build. They give them a religion based around idols of gold. They teach them how to mine the gold and meld it and even to store it—they had vast caverns and caves full of these idols—and at the right time Christopher Columbus is sent right to that spot to collect the money.

Henrik:  Sure. It’s amazing.

Alan:  I think that's pretty good planning.

Henrik:  It is very good planning, exactly. Just as you say, either you can have this really mystical way you perceive that as a very mystical thing that's going on, or just as you say, it's by the book, it's pre-planned and these guys know exactly what they're doing.

Alan:  Yes. Christopher Columbus, remember – or Christobal Columni – Columni itself and Column is one of the mystical names they love to give to their own because it means the dove. The dove, you'll see it even in ancient Egypt, comes down. That's why later on, hundreds of years later, they have the dove coming down on Jesus as the holy spirit.  It's the mystery religion and so he's also the messenger. So Christobal, the Christos Bal, of Bal, god – god is the sun, Bal is the sun – Columni, the dove, because he comes from the sun with a message. He comes all the way across, right to the very spot where they have all the gold. That is no coincidence and he just got married to the head of what was the remnants of the Knights Templars in Spain. His father-in-law gave him the old maps. 

Henrik:  Exactly, I've heard that. Are you saying that the Knights Templars are responsible for the pyramids over in South America?

Alan:  I'm pretty certain of it. I'm pretty certain of it, at least in South America.  We do know that even under some of their pyramids there's even older ones; we don't how much was produced by themselves.  An interesting take on all of this, though, is even long before we hear of the South American Aztecs or any of those groups.

For instance, Barry Fell was a Professor from Harvard who in the 1960's started to excavate places around the Eastern seaboard of the Americas initially and he was finding Roman coins, Phoenician coins, he found Etruscan coins. He found coinages going back all the way as far as money was actually minted and he was even finding older stuff from seafarers much older than that along the Eastern seaboards of the Americas. Eventually he came up to a place in Ontario, Canada, with a team and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation did a series on this excavation in Algonquin Park and he uncovered the tops of three pyramids.  What they did, too, was they found beneath them, around them, they uncovered the living quarters of what seemed to be a priesthood and the writing was in pre-Libyan and Egyptian language. He wrote a book, it was called, America BC. It's well worth getting a hold of. 

Henrik:  Say the name of this professor?

Alan:  Professor Barry Fell, and amazing discoveries put on display, a lot of this stuff, and so far I think they fenced off that area that he uncovered in Algonquin Park and now the public can't get in, because we're not supposed to know that there was a much, much older history to the world. We're not supposed to know that yet.

Henrik:  So I mean that the Templars can be this almost mythical race I guess of people that actually – I mean a lot of South American peoples themselves have claimed I guess that many of the monuments or the cities that were built was not built by them but by some other people.

Alan:  That's right.

Henrik:  Yes. I mean you have people like the--

Alan:  The world is ancient, absolutely ancient. It's far, far older than we've been told and they know for instance that the standing stones you'll find like Stonehenge and even older ones in Scotland were pre-Druid. They just don't know who these people were, but it's far, far more ancient. What it does give you is the idea – since the building structure was the same all across the old world, then there had to be an international priesthood because the way that they put these stones up and these huge megalithic walls are put up the same way. They're identical. The building techniques were identical, which meant there was travel many, many, many thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.

Henrik:  Yes, indeed. Any ideas on the building techniques involved regarding the pyramid construction? Do you have any clue?

Alan:  The pyramids myths themselves, to be honest with you, are not so exciting.  We know how they were built, even though a lot of people will say that it's a mystery.  It's no mystery. We know they made huge ramps, you'll see it from the air and the satellite photographs too, and they make a ramp in a straight line that could be almost a mile long with a gradual gradient and they built the bottom shelf and they would build up and build the rooms inside as they completed it. They'd go up and up and up and up, and so with thousands of slaves who were cheap in those days, they were disposable, you could build anything you wanted to and so there's not a great – even the Great Pyramid of Cheops, or Khufu is the real name, even that one wasn't made perfectly and that's why it wasn't capped; because one of the sides of it is a fraction shorter than the other three, so they couldn't put the capstone on it.

Henrik:  Okay. All the geometry that people discover in these monuments and so forth, I mean do you think that there's anything to it or just coincidence or any takes on it?

Alan:  Well there's no doubt at all there's very good building techniques.  Geometry itself is ancient. We haven't really improved on the science of geometry since the times of ancient Egypt or the ancient Greeks. They gave us most of the mathematics and they had it all worked out way back then, so nothing astounds me.  Now in the 1800's when the Masonic groups tried to mystify it and claim that through the measurements you could relate that to language and dates and times, again for prediction of the future, that was the big con which they pulled on the public. They gave them a great mystery and said, "oh my god, everything that happens is predicted in these measurements," and that's nonsense.

Henrik:  Interesting. I'm reminded of a document from Destiny Magazine, a Catholic paper I guess back in the '60's or was it '30's? It doesn't matter actually because they had a drawing of the Great Pyramid in there with a diagram depicting I guess it was September 17th, 2001 as something they referred to as the Day of Trumpets when everything would change or some drastic measures were going to take in regards to the end times scenario of the church and so forth.  That might be a clue to that these guys again were involved in a mega-ritual of 9/11 as it is.

Alan:  Well they had the mathematics because they went by the solar clock and they went by the heavens because they'd already studied the movements of the stars, the equinoxes. The greatest clock you have is the one above your head in the sky and you can plan ahead in thousands of years when you understand it and they did write that into their measurements. That part was true. They also used the Great Pyramids. That was the Belt of Orion, the three pyramids are the three stars of the belt and so they were bringing down from heaven and putting it on earth the actual heavens. They were making a utopia on earth by bringing the heavens down to earth and they had other pyramids built, some of which are gone now, from a satellite or from an aerial photograph you'll see the rest of the Constellation of Orion around the belt itself.

Henrik:  Interesting. One thing regarding the common history or official history where I was told that when the conquistadors went over to South America they were burning a lot of documents and so forth. I mean my take on it is either they actually saved these documents or I guess what you're revealing to us here today, sharing with us today, is that they actually might have been covering the tracks of themselves that these people or the Knights Templar at least were there from the start actually building up the places over there then?

Alan:  Yes. I'm pretty certain of it. They wanted to eradicate all of the history which was kept by the Native Indians and they burned lots of stuff, but, believe you me, they take an awful lot with them to their vaults because they tend not to destroy knowledge. They simply hide it from the public. Knowledge is power and there was so much gold taken out of there. They described thrones made of solid gold that would take 100 men to lift and these were all shipped off to Spain and to the Vatican. Masses of wealth to use in a future program, an ongoing program, and that's what it was and they tried to eradicate all the old culture.

What's interesting, too, if you were to take – if you were to even destroy a people who had all of those abilities, the fact that they didn't re-establish themselves in the same way tends to show you that the abilities they had shown had been taught to them. They weren't natural to them, otherwise they would have done the same all over again and built new cities themselves.

Henrik:  Yes, because one thing I was kind of amazed by was when I was looking at pictures of Teotihuacán, this is the site in or close to New Mexico where the Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of the Moon is located, and I was looking at pictures from the 19th century sometime, late 19th century, when they were over there again, and I guess in quotes here, but "rediscovering the site" and this allegedly had been taken place in several steps; but one of the strange aspects of it is how come this site from the beginning actually were left to itself as it were?  I mean people must have been on this site and should have maintained it during all these years, I think, but for some reason people lived there and just disappeared and I find that rather strange considering the massive monuments that are on there.

Alan:  Unless those who are really in control who kept it all together disappeared, a different group all together.

Henrik:  That might be it then.

Alan:  The ones who helped them, the helpers, the laboring classes, would just go back to themselves.

Henrik:  Sure, sure exactly. 

Alan:  And we know too that Oak Island – there's a place called Oak Island off the East Coast of Canada and it supposedly was a Knights Templar base and they brought the oak over, the acorns, and they grew the oaks, they planted them in a particular shape. The oak of course symbolized power and might, but they also left stones in certain spaced areas on the island and it's all Masonic symbols that they put down there, or the freemasonic Knights Templar symbols they laid out there. They left a shaft in the ground, which is I think is still being worked on. It’s hundreds of feet deep and there's been a company, I think even Rockefeller was involved in it, trying to excavate the shaft, this old Knights Templar shaft. This is long before Columbus.

Henrik:  There's a myth surrounding this place that the grail is buried there or whatever. Isn't that the case?

Alan:  Oh, they have a thousand myths. Personally I think that whatever was buried there if it was treasure it was taken out and probably disbursed to set up leading families. Getting back to even the Mayflower, what interested me was that was a time of incredible piracy on the seas when all this was going on and the pirates' flags was the skull and bones, one of the symbols of the Knights Templars. They were the pirates and they were accumulating, again, wealth and plunder.  I mean look at the famous names, Bluebeard and all these characters and the fact they had a base in the Caribbean. They also buried treasures in the Americas on the East Coast and then when you see how certain families were designated when they came in, the Puritans, to go to certain areas and suddenly became incredibly wealthy. I think this was all planned because they buried the wealth in certain spots for these families to come in to and become the leading families to guide this nation.

Henrik:  Wow. So again, it's all preplanned well in advance.

Alan:  Yes.

Henrik:  There we go. You know one thing that comes to mind regarding the skull and bones is of course the Christogram symbol, the Chi-Rho, and this apparently, I don't if you've got any take on this, but apparently this is basically the same symbol as the skull and bones, regarding the fact that the X of course is the bones and the P refers to the pin or something known as the head. So we've got the head and the cross, and of course this is a Christian or a Vatican symbol, but again, there might be a connection here again between the Templars and their skull and bones and the XP of the Vatican.

Alan:  I've no doubt at all. Remember, the Knights Templars were a priesthood of the Vatican initially.

Henrik:  That's true.

Alan:  They were an actual warrior priest, the first warrior priests who were officially sanctioned to also go out and kill. They trained like an army, they lived as monks, but they were given a charter by the Vatican to exist. Their initial cross that they wore on their tunic was black until their first battle, then they used the blood red after their first battle, red for the cross, and they were acquiring wealth all over Europe. They were the wealthiest group in the whole of Europe and Scandinavia and they encouraged widows whose husbands were killed in the Crusades, and there was lots of them over the centuries, they encouraged the widows to leave their whole estates to the Templars, and they were into the real estate business and banking business big time. They had tremendous wealth and they were exempt. They were the only ones who were exempt by the Vatican from paying taxes.

Henrik:  I know. I think we've been over this before maybe, but I guess that the ultimate perfection of all of this is of course that the Vatican allegedly went after the Knights Templar in trying to cover up the trace of themselves as that – you know when they were burned at the stake, that was basically the last that we saw of them. So they tried to again cover up the tracks I guess and just write themselves out of history from that point?

Alan:  Yes, and yet even in London they have the Temple Bar Association. The banks are run on it. The lawyer industry is run on Temple Bar. The old Knights Templars buildings are still there. The lodge is still underground there, where they go for their meetings. They wear their white gloves. They're called the Templars. It's still there.

Henrik:  It's still there, that's right. Do you know what "bar" in that sense means, you "pass the bar" when you graduate from law school and stuff like this?

Alan:  Yes, again it's all Freemasonic. On a Hebrew type level, "bar" means "son" or "son of," so you become a son as well of the system; and "the profane" meaning "those who are unenlightened" cannot cross the bar. They're barred from going, and so it's a two-fold thing. EVERY LAW COURT IS A MASONIC TEMPLE.  It's run on Masonic lines. You have a dock where the profane is put into. A dock is where you put sheep. You put the sheep into a dock, you see, a pen and you're beneath the judge. The judge wears the black Saturn gown because he is the god of that court. The Knights Templars and all Masonic institutions lead off every meeting officially by banging that wooden hammer, the gavel, on the square, on the block, it's a square, and that starts it off. There's a judge. You're going through an entire Masonic ritual inside the courtroom and no one's explained to us why every country is the same or why they even wear the black robes.

Henrik:  What about the wigs? Do you know an historical aspect with that?

Alan:  I often thought it's so funny that the most serious things and we take it so seriously. Here’s a man dressed in women's clothes with a wig on and everyone is so solemn and this strange character can have you put inside prison.  It's a man wearing a gown. A black gown with a wig on and we're supposed to obey this nonsense and we're not allowed to know why they even dress like that.

Henrik:  It's a tremendous strain on the psyche to sit there and take that from them.

Alan:  It literally is.

Henrik:  Oh my god.

Alan:  Then you have a sheriff of the court. The "sheriff" comes from "sharif," which is Egyptian. How did he get that name?

Henrik:  That's right, sure. Aren't the leader of the pack, I guess of some of the old more Monastic, I think it's called, tribes within Islam, pre-Islam. I don't know. They were also called the "sheriff's," isn't that right?

Alan:  Yes. We're looking at all these strange things which no one wants to explain to you. The ones who dress like this and act like that and get these titles wear uniforms of one kind or another; they're covered in symbols. They make you take an oath, even though they make sure that your own holy book of your country (which ever one you're in) will tell you to "take no oaths," that's the rule, so they let you know that, then they tell you to take an oath and swear on a bible. You're not supposed to swear on anything, but they do it and you raise your hand. That means you have no standing in court because you are pretending to be one of them as a Mason and you're not one of them. You have no rights.

Henrik:  It's all a ritual.  You know, to kind of I guess change the subject a little bit, being a sign of the times I guess, but I saw the movie "Things to Come" of course based on the H.G. Wells book. I guess the book is called "The Shape of Things to Come" and I think that the movie was released in 1936 of course predicting the whole second world war and stuff like this, but one thing that I found very interesting in the film was that kind of the main character, the one who survived, of those who’ve still got the technology to build planes and so forth, they built out their New World Order basically, the new government, with base in Basra in Iraq.  I've heard you mention this, that actually as you said the new plan for the I guess New World Order or such is based out of the Middle East in the Iraq region. Will you talk more about that?

Alan:  In that book, he talked about the war coming with Germany. He knew that. He talked about what would happen afterwards. Then he talked about the final war beginning in Basra. Now the British troops were sent to Basra – the U.S. took the north Iraq. The British troops were sent right to Basra and in H.G. Wells' book he said that the policemen, who he also called the "freemasons of the air," the scientific elite, would build and build their bases for the world in Basra. Well that's happening.

Henrik:  That is happening.

Alan:  The U.S. and Britain are building massive bases there which are permanent. They're going to be permanent bases but they could literally go all over the world from there. H.G. Wells also had these police of the air, these scientific elite, spraying the airs above countries and gassing the people to make them submit.

Henrik:  There were tremendous amounts of gas in there.

Alan:  You have the same thing happening today with the spraying under the "Open Skies Treaty" where they're actually doing it. Now H.G. Wells was a propagandist, an official propagandist of the British government, and he did belong to the secret societies as well, and also he was getting the information on the future from top professors from Cambridge and Oxford. His job was to write the story around it.

Henrik:  Kind of a Shakespeare type character writing on things to come but basically do it in a fictional format at the time I guess?

Alan:  That's right.

Henrik:  Do you think that that could help to kind of lead our way towards that point?

Alan:  Everything is predictive programming.  When things come in through entertainment our defenses are down, but the idea is left behind in our subconscious and so when it actually comes into reality in your lifetime, because the idea is there it seems fairly normal, it's not foreign to your mind and you accept it more easily, preconditioning techniques.

Henrik:  Regarding the areas as I said, do you think that the main plan for it being in Iraq is that is this kind of nave of the earth that you can reach all points from that point?

Alan:  Yes it is and I think it's also highly symbolic that the ancient world of their system began in Babylon and that's where they want to end it, in Babylon.

Henrik:  Yes, take it back full circle then I guess.

Alan:  And give it a new beginning again.

Henrik:  Interesting, even in the Matrix trilogy or might actually be from the animation series of that movie, but the robots or the machines that actually builds that symbolically I guess and the new world also takes root, as they call it "the cradle of civilization," around Iraq, Babylon.

Alan:  Yes. Wherever you see high ritualism which never changes, that's the key to it. Ritualism is very important to them. They don't change ritualism. That's part of their religion. They have to be precise. They love ritual and if it would make perfect sense they would bring in the new beginning where the old system was brought in – the birth of the old would have to be also the birth of the new.

Henrik:  Sure, sure. You know one thing also that comes to mind of course was the name when I read stuff about it, about Basra meaning of course "Bas", that's like the base from our language Bas, and then you've got "ra" from the sun god. One thing that comes to mind was in Switzerland they have a city called "Basil" and that's quite an interesting place. I think that the World Bank is based in Basil. Do you know if that's the case?

Alan:  That's the case, Basil, Switzerland, and Switzerland's an interesting place if you look at even the flag and the color of it, and how it's always had a form of neutrality that everyone's respected.  In warfare, I've never understood why someone who was a real dictator and megalomaniac would obey a treaty. However, strangely enough, it's always been done and you find most of the revolutionaries for all over Europe came out of Switzerland. They were trained there. Voltaire and all these boys from the French Revolution came from Switzerland. John Knox that brought the Presbyterian form of religion into Scotland was given refuge in Switzerland and all the rest of them were too.   Switzerland has always been a big player in promoting this. However, if you go back to Charlemagne who was the first authorized king and the warlord, he used the sword to convert people to Christianity for the Vatican, he put his first bank in Switzerland and this bank, this authorized, officially sanctioned Bank of the Vatican, was put next to a river which is still called the same name but it's called The Bank of Sion.  The river is still called the river of Sion in Switzerland.

Basil, if you take "el" – it depends how you spell it, "il" or "el" – El is the old Canaanite god.

Henrik:  Exactly.  And I guess also, I don't know if we can connect this, but regarding neutrality. I mean Sweden also of course especially during the second world war was also one of the countries who actually wasn't invaded by the Nazis and we had a bunch of stuff that we actually exported, iron ore to both sides and we had the factories contributing to the war basically keeping the wheels in motion of the war. Again, that kind of to me means that powerful hands are behind the war, because if you can just cut the resources to the war there will be no war to fight because we have no machines and no guns and all of that. So I mean do you think there could be a connection or hint even regarding the names Switzerland and Sweden pretty you know close?

Alan:  I'm pretty certain of it in fact. What you'll find – see, we are fascinated because we get mystified when you see a plan that's even 50 years in the making, that fascinates us. However, it's almost unthinkable for us with our short life spans to imagine people who can set up a future 500 years or 1,000 years ahead, but that's exactly how this inner priesthood runs this show. It's intergenerational. They plan for hundreds of years ahead. And that's not unusual because when you realize that the ancient pharaohs were taught the techniques of government from a very early age and told that their ancestors or their descendants would be running the world thousands of years from then, it doesn't surprise me at all since it's a system based on money primarily and if you run the money, you control money. You decide what it is, how much it's going to be worth and now you've got to a stage where you just need to put it into a computer and all these numbers appear. That's what's called money. You can buy anything. You can force anything. You can collapse countries easily, instantly, and you can build up countries instantly. That doesn’t surprise me because they knew the power of wealth thousands of years ago. Everything revolves around that.

Henrik:  I guess when they got the philosophy that they reincarnate, I mean that's the payoff right there. I know that we have been talking about this earlier that there might be the case that they're actually reincarnated back into the same family bloodlines in essence.

Alan:  That's right. That's what Plato talked about. That was part of the aristocracy of ancient Rome. That's what they believed. They fed the Lares, the fires down below, in their house that represented the spirits of their ancestors and they believed that the knowledge would come into the same family lineages because of reincarnation, the same spirits.  Whether it was true doesn't matter, but the fact is if they thought it was true it would certainly help them plan their own future.

Henrik:  Exactly, certainly because just as you say, I mean it's very difficult for us or if you ask many people today to kind of set up, live their lives according to this very, very long term goal and maybe not get anything in return you know instantaneously in that sense.

Alan:  It's almost impossible now to plan a future, which is also written into "The Shape of Things to Come."  They said they'd get to a stage – towards the end of the movie they showed you this futuristic city where the same descended elite were up in the big, big tower building and all of the masses were down below complaining because things were changing so fast in their culture and system that they had no normalcy to hang on to, and they said, "please, please stop the changes, give us a rest." You see that's the stage they're going to bring the world to – we're coming into it now.

Henrik:  It feels like it almost. Regarding again that we have been talking that this is a scientific order in that sense and I mean look at the scientific progresses that at least are announced today. I mean as you said, I bet you that lots of good stuff that we don't have a clue about, but nonetheless I mean even the stuff there is admitted is – I mean it's a tremendous progress and things are moving fast at this point.

Alan:  Yes and the drive on now for what they said they would do, which is have a controlled population, well, I don't know if you've noticed the VeriChip was taking on stockholders and they're out there ready – they've got implants being done on different peoples. The Mexican government's mandated that their own employees must all take the chip in their arm right now to be employed. We have it being given out in bars in certain countries where they can load your money up and it's recorded on your chip. They've got IBM promoting their virtual reality, which will come, and obviously it will be perfected. When you have a brain chip you'll think you're in a room with those people – a simulated room with simulated people.  This is all in the open now.  If you go back to Charles Galton Darwin's book, "The Next Million Years", speaking on behalf of the elite, he said, "we will alter the rest of humanity, the lesser peoples," but he says, "we the elite will not alter ourselves." They must keep their survival capabilities intact, but we won't need them because the state will be controlling our lives for us."

Henrik:  Sure, absolutely. It's all preplanned.

Alan:  And he called it "The Next Million Years". That's quite the boast.

Henrik:  It is. You know one thing that I was reminded of was regarding the VeriChip, as you say, this is now introduced on the stock market. I don't know if this has taken place yet but an interesting note was that they go through this screening process, the IPO, initial public offering process, where the VeriChip actually was during this process was actually getting a lot of criticism because the security in these chips were apparently lousy and the stock owners or the potential stock owners wanted the information on this, just how weak it was. They said that they actually can clone the chips and all of this stuff. They can just tap the information on it.

Alan:  They clone your ID. They steal the ID code.  Again, that's a red herring. Whatever they give to the public is meant for us to follow because they want us to then respond,
"oh no, we want it more secure," rather than say we don't want it at all. It takes them into their ball game.

Henrik:  To me it feels like the ultimate humiliation basically in regards to let's say that in a few years you can't get a job if you're not chipped or whatever so you've got to take the chip and then also, on top of that, you know that you're chipped, you're basically viewed upon as a dog or whatever, but then you also have the fear that you actually know that chip isn't secure and that you can be easily cloned and the information is free to everybody, so it is like a double ritual with these lousy VeriChips they're passing around these days, so it's garbage from all view points there.

Alan:  Sure. They also want you to fear, you see, but they want us to fall into the argument, which is the side road they want us to take, of demanding that they make it secure; rather than say we demand that you abolish the thing altogether.  That's how they get us into their discussion.

Henrik:  Exactly. It's not the discussion if we should have it or not, it's to make them secure. Then of course they have RFID tags now basically, this was released a few days ago, that are as small as dust basically.  So I mean they have all this other stuff. They have nano-powered batteries for RFID chips and I mean they have all of this stuff very, very small in that sense, but again, they're pushing this big chip for the ritual purpose basically.

Alan:  See, it's one after the other. The rest of it's lined up to go. You just accept the first thing which you can visualize and see, and then they take you to the next step, the more improved version and the more improved version, and ultimately they could put the nanotechnology in any inoculation and you wouldn't even know you've got it.  The nanotechnology is amazing because they've never described or told to the public how they can even work with anything so small, never mind create them, and they can create such tiny little particles, which are complete circuitry, which then can go to your bloodstream and mate with another part and complete a circuit and become a bigger unit. I mean this is beyond anything which is taught even at university level.  It's way beyond all of that. It's a much older science.

Henrik:  I mean this is the nanotechnology, I can get vertigo sometimes when I think of the consequences if they actually or I mean if we are able to implement that in our technology in that sense.  In one sense I mean tremendous liberation in some sense, I guess you know we can have materials that actually are self-regenerating. You don't have parts that wear down and stuff like this.  I mean I could see a lot of good stuff coming out from it, but as all things are, at the same time, there could be a lot of bad stuff coming out from this area of course.

Alan:  The one thing we can be sure of, because of all the world conferences, because they even have a worldwide council on population control, the one thing that we can be sure of they don't want to extend our lives, unless you were pretty well a robot that was useful to them because they don't want to extend your life. They already say there's too many of us. Whenever they come out and tell you they're going to make you live longer, this is always a carrot for us to grab on to so that we'll go along with something. No, they won't do anything to extend our lives. They want us to be reduced in population and they've been working on it steadily. That's why the biggest growth industry in the Western Hemisphere is the fertilization clinics because we're becoming sterile through inoculations.

Henrik:  Do you think that is the main reason why men are becoming sterile?

Alan:  Yes. I went into the 1800's the conferences they had then on population control and of course they brought up the easiest thing, was "how do we make people infertile?"  They had international talks on this debate and then along comes in the 1950's you have Dr. Salk with the polio vaccine, supposedly to cure us of polio, and they made that up to be a tremendous crisis and they blew it out of all proportion to terrify the public. Out comes the vaccine. Everyone takes it. The next thing you know, the World Health Organization tells us that the sperm count is dropping every year. Then you go into the history of Dr. Salk, the great savior, he was one of the main members and spokesman for the American Eugenics Society, they didn't publicize that at the time, who was advocating vast massive population reduction. The same man, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put it all together.

Henrik:  No, certainly not. It's right there. I would like to basically finish off here. We're up on the hour here, Alan, but for next month when we speak, I would love to get into a little bit more connecting this, maybe a bit on the AIDS issue and also of course on Africa and maybe why that continent is being so heavily suppressed in all the aspects that it is and so forth. There's lots to talk about. I would also like to talk about the ending of H.G. Wells, the movie, they were going off into space and the main character is really scary as I thought, a monologue basically, where he talked about the stars and that they were going to conquer the other planets around the solar system and so forth, but maybe we could get into a little bit if you want to about the moon and why we haven't been back and so forth and all that.  Okay, excellent. Again, finish off by sharing with our listeners your website and the materials that you have on for us there.

Alan:  Check into and .net and you can download lots of information for fee. See what's for sale. I will be putting a lot for sell shortly, more DVDs as well and hope to get my books out to help augment the information, so it's ongoing.  This is the never-ending story as well, but it’s ongoing and you certainly learn an awful lot by going through all the talks.

Henrik:  Absolutely. As always, Alan, it's a pleasure and it's fascinating to speak with you, so I'm looking forward to you next month very much and in the meantime take care and we'll talk soon.

Alan:  It's a pleasure.

Henrik:  Thank you.

Alan:  Bye now.


(Transcribed by Linda)