February 22nd, 2006
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru


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Jackie Patru: Alan Watt is with us tonight, folks.  And Alan, thanks again for being here tonight.


Alan Watt: Greetings from the frozen North.


Jackie: (Laughter) Greetings from the frozen North.  Okay.  Weíre not talking to Santa Claus, right?


Alan: No, itís just the guy who chases the minks out his door.


Jackie: So, how are you, Alan?


Alan: Oh, not so bad, really.


Jackie: Not so bad.  We were talking, I guess it was this past week, one evening, and we got to talking about this country, the US of A, and how we were all here.  We were all born into this, of course, so we believed it.  And no matter what goes on around us.  No, not we.  I shouldnít say that.  Because, there are those of us who are waking up to it, but for so long, and youíll still hear people say, well, it might not be the greatest, but itís still the greatest country in the world.  You know, we have liberty, we have a constitution, and if you donít like it, if you say anything, then a lot of people will say, well, if you donít like it, why donít you just leave.  And what we were talking about Alan, is right from the get-go, the people who came over here.  And I would like for you to expand upon that tonight, the indentured servants that came over here, Alan.


Alan: Well, I was going to say first off the bat, itís nothing to do with false teeth.  Itís a law, you see, that they indentured servants.


Jackie: It has nothing to do with what?


Alan: Nothing to do with false teeth.


Jackie: Oh. (Laughter)


Alan: You see, itís all to do with these laws that they passed back in Britain, when they had the Americas and they wanted to populate it with British subjects.  And itís an odd state of affair, when you can be a serf, which is a slave, really.  Youíre bought and sold with the land.  Or you can be charged with a crime, and thatís how basically they got this thing off the go.  At one time England only had judges authorized by the high court to try cases, but they needed a lot more men to do these cases for all the new laws they were going to bring in, because they had to pass laws to make sure that they had enough people or criminals, that they could send abroad to populate the Americas.  So everything became a crime.  They dumped all the peasants off of the land, their common land, it was called, where they could grow their own vegetables, in between working for their masters.  And they threw them off their land into the big cities, to start up the industrial era, which was planned hundreds of years prior to that.  John Dee writes about it in the 1500s.


Jackie: Did he call it the industrial era?


Alan: He talked about an era where technology and machines, he said, would rise and bring Britain up to an empire.  He coined the term the British Empire, which was to be a world empire.


Jackie: Who was John Dee?


Alan: He was an advisor to the court of Queen Elizabeth I and he was also a foreign ambassador to different countries.  And he was also a spy for Queen Elizabeth I.  And his number was 007. 


Jackie: Oh, come on.


Alan: Seriously.  Thatís how he signed his letters to the Queen.


Jackie: 007.† Oh, man.


Alan: So everything is in our face.  Itís just a big joke to the public.  Or at least theyíre laughing at us, because we have no idea of history.  And if you have no idea of history, youíll never know how you got to where you are.


Jackie: Oh, exactly.  What is, I donít mean to, and Iím not going to, what is a mall?  Over there in Britain?  What exactly was a mall?  It wasnít a shopping place?


Alan: No.


Jackie: What was it, Alan?


Alan: Well, a maul was a type of weapon.


Jackie: No, because I was reading a book about India.  And that was India under the authority of the British East India Company, the government and the company.  Some areas, it was the British government.  In some areas it was the company, I guess.  I mean, they were all one and the same anyway.  But they were talking about a wedding that was taking place, in India, and they were on the mall, it said.


Alan: A mall in that case is the fairway coming into a palace.  Itís like a long street or driveway.  You get the same in London with Pall Mall, they call it.


Jackie: Yeah, Pall Mall.  We had Pall Mall cigarettes here.


Alan: Thatís right.


Jackie: And I thought about that when I read that.  Okay.  Now they call over here, we have shopping malls. 


Alan: Thatís right.  A strip.  So it would be a strip of land, but it used to be a street, really, leading to a palace or whatever, you know.


Jackie: So, in the 1500s, John Dee talked about the industrial era. 


Alan: Thatís when they burst out with Rosicrucianism.  The sort of precursor, and itís still the high Freemasonry in a sense.  And they talked about, he coined the term and gave it to the Queen, to call it, he called it the Brytish, B-R-Y-T-I-S-H, Brytish Empire.  And he said, this will stretch across the world.  And of course, it was to be exactly what it is.  It was to be a world run by an elite, a dominant minority with the money and the power and the hereditary lineages, and then a scientific elite underneath them, which would basically be the masters of all the peasantry underneath them.  So, thatís pretty well what we have with the United Nations, and the Rockefeller, all the different foundations that we know, so, yeah, he wrote a lot about the coming Brytish Empire.


Jackie: Was he a Rosicrucianist?


Alan: Yeah.


Jackie: And what is the difference between Rosicrucian, Rosicrucianism and Zoroastrianism?


Alan: Well, Zoroaster was really the precursor of all the religions that we know of.  Coming out with the idea of the war, thereís always a war on the planet between two entities, if you like, or two sides of good and evil.  Thatís different again.  Itís a religion in that sense.  Rosicrucianism incorporated reason, youíll hear that coming across through in history, this thing about reason.  But it also incorporated the religion that went with it, which was Freemasonry, which is more akin to Hinduism than anything.  Itís a caste system.


Jackie: Freemasonry or Rosicrucianism?


Alan: Rosicrucian is Freemasonry.


Jackie: Okay, and Freemasonry is a caste system.


Alan: Yes. See, Masonry has a thousand names.  A thousand names, but theyíre all the same.  Thereís only one head to the pyramid, one capstone.


Jackie: When you say that, are you talking about all the different secret societies?


Alan: All of them.


Jackie: Skull and Bones, and...


Alan: Theyíre only a higher order of the same society.


Jackie: Theyíre a higher order?


Alan: You find if you go, those in the Ivy League schools, such as Yale and Princeton, and of course in England theyíve got Cambridge and Oxford, these are traditional old families that go there.  And they are really a noble order, so theyíre a higher order.


Jackie: What was the one that Clinton was in?  It wasnít Skull and Bones, but there was another one, kind of the counterpart to Skull and Bones. 


Alan: Well, he did go to, he was sent off to Oxford in England, as a Rhodes scholar.† And there he became initiated into the Oxford Circle, they call it. 


Jackie: Thereís a name for it though, except I canít remember it.  I donít think it had.  It seemed to me it had something to do with Dog, but maybe it doesnít.  Maybe Iím thinking of dog and pony show.  Zoroastrianism, was that Zarathustra, the one that started that?


Alan: Thatís what is claimed.


Jackie: And Zoroastrianism is not the same as Rosicrucianism.


Alan: No.  At least the old Zoroastrianism wasnít, no.  The original Zoroastrian religion was really an attempt to explain the incredible differences of happiness and sadness, wealth and poverty, cruelty and love that exists within all humanity.  You know, the opposites.† And so they came up with this idea of a conflicting war, to explain why some people are pretty good people, and other ones are just thoroughly evil.  And that really was copied down through the ages by the religions that came afterwards, but perverted too, of course.


Jackie: Okay.  So, getting back to these United States of America.


Alan: Oh, they had to populate it.


Jackie: You made a statement, and I know that was a very broad statement, but you said everything was against the law.  So, obviously they made a lot of pecuniary laws?


Alan: What they did, was for the first time, they made justices of the peace, because they didnít have enough judges, so they gave lesser members of wealthy families these jobs as justices of the peace. 


Jackie: Is that the same as a magistrate?


Alan: Thatís right.  And so, they didnít have to even have any law training at all.  And in Britain, you didnít get a trial by jury.  You just went up in front of the magistrate or the justice of the peace, and heíd give a wink to the charging officer, and found you guilty of whatever it was, and then you were indentured, which meant you were in servitude for X-amount of years.  So, you were sold off to the Americas, and whoever bought you from the ship that you arrived on, paid a fee to the captain, who took his cut.  And then, when he went back to England, the captain gave it to the magistrate, what was left.  They all took their cuts, right along the line.† It was a slave trade, of course.  And they were white people that were initially sent over.  Thatís where the term redneck came from.  Initially they used them in the Caribbean countries, and they used to call them red shanks, initially, because they had the short breeches without socks, you know.  And theyíd work in the plantations.  And because the sun was on their back, theyíd get the red shanks, the red legs, and then they changed it to red neck.† And thatís where that term came from.


Jackie: Now, there were people, werenít there people who came over here of their own volition, Alan?


Alan: Oh, there were people who did, but that was really later, you know.


Jackie: Okay, weíre talking very early, huh?


Alan: Early, right through into the 1700s.  I mean, Benjamin Franklin bought his first wife off the ship.  She was an indentured servant.† Many of these guys bought their wives off the ships. 


Jackie: Also, you know, that book that I read, the interpretation of the Constitution, Economic Interpretation.  The people that came over here, many people, this would have been later, when they wanted to, you know, really begin to settle the open areas, and they were promised land, remember, Alan.† Well, the guys that were already here, and many of the guys that were in the Constitutional Convention, were landowners.  And they bought up huge, huge, huge of the greatest, best, land.  So when these people came over here, and they were promised land, the land that they were given was crappy land.  And if they wanted land where they were actually going to be able to farm and really homestead, they had to pay a high price for the land.  And then when they, okay, now theyíre going to go out west.  Okay?  Theyíre going to go out there and get some good land.  Well, the land barons just beat them to it.  And they got out there and did the same dog-gone thing out west, Alan.


Alan: Sure.  Weíre being farmed, you see.  We truly are being farmed.  You know, like Charles Fort said.  Weíre being farmed.


Jackie: What do you mean, being farmed?


Alan: They farm us up for their wars, such as in Britain.  When the Rothschilds took over they started a standing army.  Before that they used mercenary troops.† So, then they brought the redcoats in with the standing army, with the Bank of England funding it, and with the right to tax the people, to keep the standing army.  And then, from then on, itís one war after another. And so, they were culling off the population, what they thought were the excess, at the same time those soldiers were winning more land for Britain, for London, really, as they were culling off the soldiers.  And of course, the Rothschild companies were supplying all the armaments and clothing, etc.  So, itís a business.  War is a business for them.  They farm us up to a particular level when they need us, and they also cull us down with disease and so on, when they donít need us.  Or else, they export us abroad, you see.  And thatís the standard technique, itís even in the economic books.  Thatís the standard technique thatís always been used.


Jackie: Human capital.† Chattel.


Alan: Yeah, and when Rothschild passed the law, he put the bill forward in Parliament, in England.  It was called the Corn Laws.  And what they did, that allowed the European farmers to dump their grain in Britain, and that put all the small holders out of Britain.  And they had to go into the cities, the industrial, the new industrial cities, and work sixteen, seventeen hours a day till they died.  You know, they dropped dead.


Jackie: Say that again.  They allowed them to dump their corn?† Well, who are we talking about, them?


Alan: Well, I said Rothschild.


Jackie: No, no, I mean, who was dumping their corn?


Alan: The European farmers.


Jackie: Were they being paid for it?


Alan: Oh, yeah.  But they were allowed to dump them at cheap prices, and without tariffs.  That was Free Trade, you might say, without tariffs and into Britain, and at such cheap prices.  I mean, it was all orchestrated by the Rothschilds.† And sure enough, all the farmers were suddenly put out of business, and all the farm hands.  And they had to move into the new industrial areas, like Manchester, Birmingham, and so on, where they were, you know, paid pennies per week, and worked sixteen, seventeen hours a day.  The rest were put into the army.  There was no other choice.  And that was, I think even Benjamin Franklin, who was an illuminatist.  There was no problem about it.  He definitely was.† But, because theyíre illuminati, they can tell you the truth.  They can tell you both sides of the story, you know.  And Franklin did say that industrialization was the worst form of a system that heíd ever seen.  He said, because heíd witnessed the peasants in Britain, working sixteen hours a day in the factories, walking out of the factories, absolutely tired and staggering, without shoes on their feet, and yet, he was talking about a shoe factory.  They couldnít even afford the shoes they made.  Thatís how poor Great Britain was for the people.


Jackie: For the people.  And thatís how poor that people were who came over here.


Alan: Oh, well, yeah.  And of course, when they started up the indentured servitude, they made so many laws that they were getting thousands a week.


Jackie: And even like the Irish came over during the famine.  They took them right off the boat, and threw them into the big factories, the sweatshops. 


Alan: Sure.  And with Ireland too, that was contrived.† Because, the oddest thing is, and itís the oddest story, itís never made any sense, is that a ship came in from America, bound to dock in Ireland, and then go on to a port in England.  Half its cargo was to be unloaded in Ireland, and thatís what they claimed, in came the potato fungus, or whatever it was, that started killing off the potatoes.  However, they dumped the other half of the load in England, and nothing happened there, from the same cargo. 


Jackie: Why?


Alan: Well, obviously, either somebody introduced something.  These guys were scientists back then too.  They did have a lot of knowledge, and you find that from the 1500s.  But they wanted to move the Irish out.  Thereís no doubt.  And Jonathan Swift, who wrote Gulliverís Travels, and who was a high Freemason, who also, and a little side note here.  Jonathan Swift, who was an elitist and very arrogant, he did say, let the Irish eat their own children.  Thatís what he said in Parliament in England.


Jackie: Oh, my God.


Alan: This was a loving thing...


Jackie: And he meant that literally, didnít he?


Alan: He hated them.† And he was talking about the Irish Catholics, of course.  And the Masons at that time, at least that branch of them, were against the Catholics.  And of course, Swift also in Gulliverís Travels, wrote a part where Gulliver comes to the island where the horses are very sophisticated and intelligent and aristocratic, and the barbarians are the humans.  Now the humans, he coined the term Yahoo.  The humans who were barbaric were called Yahoos.† And thatís why you have Yahoo on the internet.  Itís for the yahoos.  Itís a Masonic joke on the people.


Jackie: Not only that, but, you know in Immanuel Velikovskyís book, Worlds in Collision, I highlighted this, because they said that the Earth was like creaking.  And they termed the sound that it was making as Yahoo.  And I thought, oh, my God, and weíve got the Yahoo search engine.


Alan: Thatís right.  And also, thatís what the cowboys were made to say in the movies, is Yahoo, you know.† But they were the base people.  And itís a Masonic mockery, you see.  Anyway, getting back to the Irish.  People think that the Irish were living on nothing but potatoes, and they donít realize that the big, big farmers that London had made settle in Ireland, the Protestant type farmers, were the new land lords, basically, had lots of other grain, but the people were not allowed to eat it.  And the Catholic Church really helped, because they came in and told them to obey the laws and just starve to death, and be good little citizens, you know.


Jackie: But while the people were starving over there, they still had to tithe.  And if they had no money, they brought food.


Alan: Yeah, I know.  But it was so, those people, itís so disgusting...


Jackie: They were living in luxury, Alan.


Alan: I know.  And then of course, they also did the same in Scotland, you know.  And this is how they contrive things, because they run all sides of everything.  They already had the German bunch in as the king and queen of England, the Georges.  And Prince Charlie, of course, the descendant of the Stuart lineage, was over living with the Jesuits in France, and Italy in some cases.  And they brought him back for the rebellion in 1745.  And so, sure enough, he came over to Scotland, and he got a few, just a handful of clans behind him, and he said, weíre going to take over London.  And sure enough, they fought their way right down to London, just a few clans, and they were only 30 miles from Darby.  London was being evacuated by the elite.  They thought theyíd had it.  And then Charlie changed his mind and went back.  Thatís when you know that...


Jackie: He went back where?


Alan: To Scotland.  So, here he was within reach of claiming London and he turns back.  He took the men up to the loneliest bog in Scotland, the north of Scotland, and he went to Culloden House, the big mansion that was a few miles away, spent the night there eating and feasting, and in the morning the Scots woke up with the British, the whole British army, with the Scots lowland regiments too, all lined up with cannon and everything against them.  On an April morning, with freezing rain in their faces, and they stood there for four and a half hours solid, waiting for the order to charge, as they were getting shot down with grapeshot.† And Charlie never told them to charge.  And the reason was, Charlie had vamoosed.† Heíd gone.  He never arrived on the battlefield.  He went straight over to the Island of Skye and then they had a ship waiting that took him back to France.  But they used that excuse of a rebellion to clear the highlands of millions of people.  And sure enough, thatís what they did.  In came the redcoats, they cleared the highlands.  They got every dirty little old tub that could float, or just about float, and they pressed all these people on, set them off for America, and many of them sunk within sight of the coastline, and their relatives could watch them all going under.† And this is how they populated America.† This is the real history.


Jackie: Oh, yes.  And then it just goes on and on and on, too, because recently I watched a movie, I think it was called Matewan, and it was in Maitwan, Virginia.  I might be saying the name wrong, but it was the coal miners, Alan.  And it was a very well made movie.  And, basically, what it showed was the control.  They went in there.  They took the people off the land, the coal companies, and confiscated their land, and then pressed them into service into the coal mines.  And there were seven and eight-year-old children in there.† This was early 1900s, Alan. 


Alan: I know some guys who told me this.  They saw it happen.


Jackie: Thatís right.  And, you know, I remember Tennessee Ernie Fordís song, Sixteen Tons.† It never meant anything to me, because we werenít taught this in history.  But it was, you know, "you load sixteen tons and what do you get?  Another day older and deeper in debt."


Alan: Thatís right, because it was company towns.


Jackie: "Peter donít you call me, because I canít go.  I owe my soul to the company store."† And when they hired these people, they lived in company housing, and had to pay rent for it. 


Alan: And a company store. 


Jackie: Even their tools.  The company fronted them their tools, and took it out of their pay.† Everything.  They went on strike.  And they finally, in this movie, and in this particular situation, and I donít remember the exact date, but they prevailed.  About five years later, and this is in the Encyclopedia, when it tells about it, five years later, same place.  They struck again.  They went on strike.  And the government, the federal government brought troops in, shot them, Alan.  Coal miners working for a private company, and the federal government brought troops in and shot them.† You know, Iíve lived for so long with this dream of America in my heart.  And this was one of the reasons I did want to talk about this tonight, because itís time we give up the dream.  Itís never been a dream, itís a nightmare.


Alan: Thatís right.


Jackie: It is truly a nightmare.  Weíre going to have to take a break here.


(Commercial Break)


Jackie: Alright, weíre back folks.  ...The address to his website is cuttingthroughthematrix.com.  And Alan has three books.  If you havenít, Iíve heard from so many of you, and when you call or when you write, you almost never fail to mention how much you appreciate Alan Watt and the information that is provided.  And so, the books that he has written, it puts some meat into, it goes beyond just a conversation.  Letís put it that way.  And when you go into cuttingthroughthematrix.com, you can actually read some excerpts of each of the books.  Thereís three of them.† ...Alan, anything else you want to say about that, honey?


Alan: No, thatís pretty well it.  And those three books, I could just say that itís a process.  I write in a different fashion, because I try to involve the reader in a formula that wakes them up as they read, rather than just have a dull boring dates and who said what and who did what, you know.  That doesnít work.  It does not work.  Weíve had this for so long, you know, it doesnít work.  So, I hit them with symbols and so on that are used, that are in front of their faces.  They donít think about them.  I explain them to them, and start their minds working for themselves.  Thatís the process of it.  Itís a technique.


Jackie: Thatís what we have to do, is start thinking for ourselves, isnít it?


Alan: Oh, thatís it. 


Jackie: You know, it sure helps.  For those of us who do communicate, and of course, you being on the air with us, because a lot of times things are pointed out, itís happened to me so many times, Alan, that youíve pointed out something, that I didnít, I wouldnít have even thought about it, if you hadnít said it, and then suddenly itís as clear as the nose on your face.† So, maybe itís beyond just thinking for ourselves.  Itís that the truth has been, so much of the truth has been suppressed that weíve all lived in some little dreamland thinking it was a dream, and come to find out, like I said, itís been a nightmare, Alan.


Alan: Yeah, I always say that.  You wake up from the dream into the nightmare, when you realize the reality of what it is all about.


Jackie: Well, and you know, thereís just another thing that was on my mind, when we were talking about this situation there in Matewan.  I was thinking also, watching that movie, I was thinking about World War I and the soldiers that fought in World War I were promised a bonus by the US government, and then of course, the depression hit.  They never got their bonuses, and they were starving, those that survived World War I.  You had them, you know they were limbless, and crippled, and etc, and they werenít getting their bonus, so they marched, with their families.  They took trains, they drove, and they walked to Washington D.C. to plead with the government to give them their bonuses because they were starving, and the military came out and shot at them.  I remember, I read quite a bit about it.  They were actually camping out in tents.  And it was, I think Dwight Eisenhower was maybe one of them that was involved in that.  General MacArthur.  One of those guys gave the orders for the troops to open fire on WWI veterans, Alan.  Now, thatís America, the land of the free and the home of the brave.


Alan: Well, you see, that all came from Britain, because this is the difference too.  In recent years, really in the last century, they trained Americans, indoctrinated them actually into the tribal system, that the tribal emblems, the flag, they had all the children reciting with the hand over the heart, you know, a Masonic gesture.


Jackie: Pledging allegiance to a flag. 


Alan: Yes, and of course, that trains you to jump up and hear the brass bands, and off you go to war.  Whereas in Britain, the people feared the military, because the military had always been used on the people at home.  That was the big difference.  They had always been used on the people back home.  They had the Drapers Riots in the 1700s, and in the 1800s, when they started importing the cheaper stuff from India, and putting all the cotton mills out of business.  They had riots there, and they turned the British military on the people and had mass shootings in the streets.  So, Britain was well used to what a uniform meant, you know.  See, uniform means one form.  When they put on a uniform, they are no longer an individual, theyíre a robot who is part of the whole.  Kind of like Legion, we are many, but we are one, you know.


Jackie: Yes, well, think about this.  They are actually considered, they are considered owned by the government.


Alan: Theyíre private.


Jackie: Yeah.  Well, think, I think about the dog tags.  Now, see, Alan, something just like that.† I mean, weíve heard about dog tags forever.  It never occurred to me, that you know, a dog tag is a tag you hang around a dogís neck.


Alan: Itís the dogs of war, you know from Shakespeare.


Jackie: Okay, but a GI is government issue.


Alan: Thatís right.  Some would say a General Idiot, too.† Youíre privately owned.  Thatís what it means.  Youíre no longer a member of the rest of the people.  Youíre a private.  You start as a private.  Youíre owned body and soul.  You do what youíre told.  Youíre owned.  Thatís what it means.  You donít have any rights at all, that the general population may have, even in common law.  Youíre now privately owned by the corporation.  So, you start as a private.  So, thatís where that comes from.  But Britain was so used to the dragoons and all the other big regiments being turned loose on the public, that no, you did not worship the military, as they were trained eventually, again only in the 20th century, to worship the military in America.


Jackie: And you know, you still see cars driving around here, with those little China-made American US flags on it.  And people hang them out in front of their homes.  We had, you know, Iíve got a huge, tall flagpole across the road, which I brought from Illinois.  I was the same way. That flag, Old Glory, I loved it, Alan, because it meant so many things to me, that were such lies.  But the big laugh, the big joke on the American people after 9/11, and they were selling those little flags, millions of them, and they came from China.  China-made.  And in case, any new listeners, that might not have heard this or thought about it, but it isnít an American flag.  Think about it.  When that flag was, was it, during the Revolution.† Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner still wave.  The bombs bursting in air.  Itís a war flag.  Itís a military, itís a US government incorporated flag. 


Alan: Itís actually deeper than that, because itís a Masonic, Kabbalistic flag.  And, you see, they had the first revolution in England, and the English flag became the Union Jack, for Jacob, you know.  Jack is also a levi, a lever.  You jack things up.  Youíre a priest.  And, of course, you have the Illumined Man, the X over the Templar cross.  So, itís eight pointed, you see.  Eight is power and money.  Thatís what it means in Masonry.  And itís red, white, and blue.  And itís red for fire and revolution and blood, and itís also white for spirit, and of course the blue is the closest up from black which is law, according to the Kabbalistic system.  The next one in red, white, and blue, was America, and of course, Canada was the same with the Union Jack.  Itís changed now.  And then the next one was France which became red, white and blue.  So, thatís their revolutionary colors, really.


Jackie: Somebody said that the US flag was taken from the British East...


Alan: India Company.


Jackie: East India Company.


Alan: Yeah, they had it, itís on a famous, thereís a famous building in Hong Kong, the Palisade, and in there, I donít know if itís still there, but they had an actual original East India Company flag.  And it was like the early American one, where you had a circle.  America had a circle of 13 stars for the colonies, and 13, of course, is revolution and regeneration, you see, in Masonry.  Thatís why they waited till they had 13.


Jackie: Well, I guess how they made their flag too, huh?


Alan: Yes, and then they had the stripes going across the way.  So that was the East India Companyís flag. 


Jackie: And, of course, it was just coincidence that there were thirteen colonies at that time.


Alan: And what gets me too, you see, is theyíd already had international meetings in Europe, as to who was going to bring in the next part of the system, for empire.  And they couldnít use any of the existing countries, because they were all known by the rest of the world that was not yet invaded, as being tyrants and looters for a small clique in London and in Paris, and so on.  And so they dreamed up the idea of a new knight in shining armor, that was brand new, and unconnected with the rest of them.  And what happened in America was about 55 of the largest wealthy landowners in America, who all had charters to own their land, by the way, from the British Crown, they had original charters from the Crown, those guys, Washington and so on.  And they got together in that building, and 33 of them of course, 33 signed their name to it.  And they were all high Freemasons.  And they barred the general public from coming in.  And then they came out and said, weíve given you a Constitution, you know.


Jackie: Youíre talking about the Con Con.


Alan: What a joke.  The general public had no input into it, whatsoever.  It was a Masonic meeting.  Franklin talked about that, quite openly.  And you even see Washington with the chair behind him, with the rising sun picture in the background.


Jackie: Yep, in his chair.† Itís still there at Independence Hall.


Alan: And they even barred the doors and had guards on it.


Jackie: They nailed the windows shut, Alan. 


Alan: Thatís because all temple lodges, itís called the church with no windows.  When they have a lodge meeting, they must have that done.† So, itís such a farce.  And thatís why Washington has got his big erection up there, over the water.  And the first new, large obelisk, copied after the Egyptians, over water.  Fire over water, thatís what it stands for.  The male over the female. 


Jackie: At the reflecting pool there.† You mentioned Thomas Jefferson, and I had read in a bio of him, that he had ordered an obelisk, you know, for his grave.


Alan: Thatís right.  And most of them did, actually.  And when you go across the border, if you look between the border, get off the main roads, and walk along the Canadian-US border, they marked it every half mile or so with a Masonic obelisk about 12 feet tall, all along it.  It was a Masonic arrangement made between the two groups, you know.  Itís all Masonic.  So, thatís the big joke.  And then, of course, Franklin, in his own memoirs, and Jefferson, both repeated the same thing, that they saw this as the beginning of a Federation of the World.  And they would start with the Federation of the States of America, and that would be the beginning of a Federation of the World, led by Twelve Wise Men.  And thatís in their own writings, which surely they must have given you at school.  Because thatís in their own memoirs, you know.


Jackie: No, they didnít give us that stuff at school.


Alan: Really?


Jackie: Oh, God, no, Alan.


Alan: What did they give you, John Wayne?


Jackie: They gave you dates and names and places.  It was very dry.  Maybe thatís why I kept falling asleep in history class.  Then after I got out of school, then I became thirsty, you know, for actually finding out what really did happen.† And you know, maybe, if there was a true hero, of this country, it would have been Andrew Jackson.  Think about it.  You know, George Washington, what do you call, chartered the first bank.  And that was a twenty-year charter.  And it was Andrew Jackson who refused to charter it.  Thereís a whole book written about that.  Well, I mean that, the Coming Battle.  Thereís a lot of information in there, about, my God, what they threatened if they didnít get the charter to that bank.  And then they tried to, they tried an assassination.  And I love that story.  I donít know if itís true, but...


Alan: Well, what I do know too is, Jackson, and this is the thing too thatís going to happen to us.  You see, they had to push the American Indians into reservations.  And thatís another M.O. of the same brotherhood down through the ages. 


Jackie: And Jackson did that?


Alan: Well, Jackson helped along that.  And, of course, Jackson also, they had treaties with the American Indians, up in the Black Hills area, and of course, he wanted gold.  And so, he started to encourage all the settlers to move in there, to start the wars going with the Indians.  And when they brought the trains through, Jackson put ads in all the European newspapers for the big wealthy gentlemen, the sportsmen, he called them, to come over to the Americas, and they would have these train rides through the prairies there, and along the Black Hills, and all the ammunition they could want, and they would feed them and so on, at the taxpayersí expense, and they killed thousands and thousands and thousands of buffalo.


Jackie: Oh, they almost made them extinct. 


Alan: And that was to get rid of the Indiansí food supply.† That was intentional.  Thatís what it was for.


Jackie: Then I take it back.† Maybe there is no "true hero" of this country.


Alan: Well, the ones who are heroes were probably dead and never mentioned.


Jackie: Yeah, the ones that were killed.


Alan: Yeah, theyíd stand up and protest, or maybe they went for their rights, when they were in that blacked-out room making up the charter there, maybe they came up with a protest, and had their throats slit Masonically.† But thatís the history.  Weíre living through a system which uses everybody, all the ordinary people.  And they make no distinction between the peasant of America, Canada, or China.  If youíre not one of them in the upper nobility, youíre just a peasant.  Youíre a world peasant.  And other writers, including the Russells, and so on, Bertrand Russell, makes that quite plain, you know.  They have no identification with the ordinary people.  When you look at what Washington came out of the Revolution with, I mean, he came up with, heíd added 20-odd mile of land to his property, during the Revolution.  He was a busy guy, you know.


Jackie: Who was this?


Alan: Washington.


Jackie: He was.  He was land rich. 


Alan: He added about 20-odd square miles to his property during the war.  And so, they were looking after themselves.  And they put all their Masonic symbols up, and people pass it all the time.  Itís in all the movies, the obelisk and the water, and thereís Lincoln sitting just like a statue of one of the pharaohs in this four square position, they call it, in his big chair.


Jackie: And thereís in Springfield Illinois at the state capital, a big bronze statue of him, sitting in his chair.  And his nose is all shiny. 


Alan: Oh, a shiny nose, eh?


Jackie: People come in there and they drop money into the little fountain there, and make a wish and rub his nose. 


Alan: Oh really?


Jackie: And his nose is real pretty.  You know, itís, you know how, I guess itís brass or copper, or...


Alan: Bronze, probably.


Jackie: Bronze, yeah.† You know how it will begin to oxidize.† So, his nose is real pretty.  Because thatís what the people do. 


Alan: Well, thatís the thing.  As I say, the Indians were first.  The settlers made real estate out of jungles and wastelands and swamps.  Now itís being taken from them.  Theyíre to be put into their reservations, which are the human habitat areas of the UN.  So, everybody is used in turn for the agenda, always.


Jackie: And now they refer to the US as the empire.


Alan: Yes, and of course that started when Britain handed over the torch officially.  And again, even going back to the fifteen hundreds, John Dee and his buddy Francis Bacon, wrote about the New Atlantis arriving in the West, which would continue carrying the torch, and sure enough, America took over the tax-paying part of it, and the military part of it, to bring in the New World Order.  Once it sinks, China is to be the policeman of the world.  And thatís the way the elite have formulated this plan.  And theyíve written about it too. 


Jackie: For, in case we have any new listeners, you know, I used to get angry when people, in fact when I was first given the book that Ralph Boryszewski wrote, The Constitution that Never Was, I wouldnít even read it, Alan.† I said, this is just another book that bashes our Constitution.  ...Itís a real hard pill to swallow when youíve been born into that, Alan.† And I know itís very hurtful, because it was.  Well, look how ticked off I got at you.† You wouldnít acknowledge that the Constitution was...† I didnít even want to talk to you for a while.


Alan: And of course, Canada, under Pierre Trudeau, got, for the first time, a charter of rights.  And itís right along the same world agenda, where thereís no mention of private property ownership in the whole charter.† And of course, Pierre Trudeau, who became prime minister of Canada, who was also a Rhodes scholar, and a millionaire, because all the millionaires run the Communist side, you see.  The elite run Communism. 


Jackie: Which is no different than international democracy.


Alan: Well, the same boys run both sides.


Jackie: Well, itís all one and the same plan. 


Alan: Itís the same families that run it.† Itís the dialectic of pretending you have an enemy, pushing the public between the two, squeezing them, until we come out with the synthesis, the third way.


Jackie: National Socialism, I guess.


Alan: Yeah.  Weíve got a fascist elite running a communistic bureaucracy who run the people.  Thatís the synthesis.  Thatís it.  And of course, Pierre Trudeau led the Young Communist party of Canada, the Comintern, to Moscow in 1952.  He helped with the setting up of the Charter for the United Nations, with Escott Reid and Pearson and Alger Hiss.  And then he became the Prime Minister of Canada, and not one newspaper mentioned that he was the leader of the Comintern for Canada, the Communist International.† And thatís because itís all one and the same thing.  Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin.


Jackie: Two sides of the same coin, yes.


Alan: And guess who owns the coin?


Jackie: Leading us to the third way.


Alan: So, the media is an essential arm of government.  Without it, they couldnít give us this fake reality, you know.


Jackie: Well, besides the media, donít forget the entertainment and music industry.


Alan: Thatís essential.  In fact, they had a meeting in England in the 1970s, the early í70s, with the Royal Institute of International Affairs and CFR to decide which company and country would give the culture to the world, the coming world, the New World, and they decided that Hollywood would be the culture creator.


Jackie: There we go.


Alan: For the world.


Jackie: We just got our one-minute warning here.† So, is there anything that you want to say in about 40 seconds?


Alan: Yes.  Itís not over yet, till the fat lady sings.


Jackie: Thank you, Alan.† It ainít until the fat lady sings.† That is for sure.  And this has been going on, down through the ages.† And theyíre still at, and weíre still here.


Alan: We are.


Jackie: So there you go.  Thank you for that.  What a wonderful, what a wonderful final statement for this broadcast.  Folks, weíll see you back Wednesday night, next.  And thank you for being here, folks.  Good night, Alan.  Thanks, honey.


Alan: Good Night.


Jackie: Good Night.


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