June 21st, 2006
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru


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Jackie Patru: Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  Today is Wednesday.  And it is the 21st of June in the year 2006.  And Iím glad youíve joined us today.  I hope youíre having a nice day.  I hope youíre having nice weather.


Alan: Itís been dull and almost dark.


Jackie: This has been a lovely day here, Alan.† This is a quote that weíve all heard.  "Know thyself.  There is nothing else to seek."  Yes?


Alan: Thatís pretty well it. 


Jackie: Thatís pretty well it, isnít it, Alan?


Alan: Itís the only thing you can actually find.  (Laughter)  Because the rest of it is endless.


Jackie: So, we havenít spoken until just a couple of minutes ago.  Is there anything particular that is on your mind that you want to bring up tonight?


Alan: The only thing really is the hullabaloo on all the radio shows about the NAFTA highway, as though it was a brand new idea.  Even though it was discussed in the 1980s, openly in the newspapers, when they did the Free Trade Negotiations.  And what you realize eventually is that most of the public sleep through everything.  They do sleep through things.  They slept through the transfer of industry to China after the GATT Treaty.  And their attention is only drawn to something when theyíre told to think about it.


Jackie: Well, this email is going all over the internet.  And geez, I remember six or seven years ago, we were discussing the NAFTA highway.  And a particular situation that happened.  We were having Tim Clemm on with us.  He was the facilitator for XEROX corporation, former facilitator.  He was explaining the total quality management.


Alan: Guiding you to the conclusion.


Jackie: Thank you, yes.  Thereís several names for it, group dynamics.  He was explaining it to us.  Well, he was due to come on the air, and I got a call from him just a few minutes before the broadcast.  He said, Iím not going to be able to make it.  Weíve had a tornado that ran through here.  He was in Oklahoma City.  And he said, weíve never had such a series of storms in history.  And when he did come on with us a few days later, he was telling us, Alan, listen to this, they were bringing the NAFTA highway down to Oklahoma City.  They were going to bypass Oklahoma City, and in the bypass, it was going to take out a community, their community.  And Tim Clemm, being an expert in that, was in the group that was opposing it, and they were being successful.  And guess where the tornado hit?  That community.  And I often wonder, because I really didnít follow up on it, but at that time, I thought, this is just too coincidental to be a coincidence.


Alan: And especially when they publish, even before that, through Brzezinski, the fact that future wars would be fought with weaponry of weather and so on, and storms.


Jackie: Right, right.  So, as you said, the NAFTA, this NAFTA Highway is not a new thing, but it is true that, it hasnít been spoken of lately. 


Alan: Well, thatís how quickly the public go to sleep.  In fact, they slept through the negotiations as though it didnít affect them.  That was what was astounding.  See, technically, the big boys always legally will tell you.  Itís just that they donít tell you to worry about it, and thatís what Brzezinski said.  The public will not think about something, unless theyíre told to by the media.  And so this is understood, this form of psychology.  We worry about the things they tell us to worry about.  Thereís no point worrying about something after itís done. 


Jackie: Well, let me ask you this.  Is this on mainstream media?


Alan: It was then.  Iím sure itís on various local news.


Jackie: No, but I mean today you said itís a big hullabaloo onÖ 


Alan: Oh, itís shortwave.  I mean, itís all shortwave.  And unfortunately, shortwave concentrates on the effects after the cause.  And itís too late howling about it when itís put into place.  Youíre just seeing the side effects of it now.  The same as the done deal that the border between Mexico and the US would eventually come down, and other South American countries too.  So, I mean, youíre seeing the effects, and thatís the only time the people get startled is when they think their way of life has been threatened, immediately, you know. 


Jackie: Yeah, well, you know, that is true to a point.  But there are people who have exposed these things, and it isnít that they go to sleep on it.  Alan, for example, I talked about regional governance probably for two years.  I was on other broadcasts as a guest.  We had a regionalism document packet.  Had a lot of lot of response.  Regionalism is alive and well.  And it isnít necessarily, I didnít go to sleep on regionalism.  But I had covered it so heavily and to keep on harping on it.  See, what they do is they keep presenting new things for people to talk about.


Alan: And worry about.


Jackie: Yeah, sure.† And so, not to put all the blame on "sleeping people".  They just keep bombarding, you canít cover.  And if you do cover all the news, thatís all youíre doing.  You know, like Robbie N.† He used to sit and go, and so did Rick W, that was on shortwave there, thatís all they did is sit and go through the news.† Blow peopleís minds away, but what are those people going to do about it.


Alan: Itís after the fact.  Itís after the event.  And scream and howl and beating your breast, when you see the effects.  But, the fact is, this stuff has been published for, Karl Marx talked about the amalgamation of the different continents in the 1800s, you know.


Jackie: Yeah, but, Alan, and I donít mean yeah but.  I shouldnít say that.  See, we appreciate the information you bring to us.  You have had access and made yourself aware and knowledgeable.  You had resources and information that we didnít have access to.  And maybe it wasnít that people didnít care at the time.  You see what Iím saying?


Alan: Well, they do.  They do have access to them.


Jackie: How?


Alan: If theyíd gone into their libraries and researched this kind of dry material.


Jackie: I know, but if you donít know about it, how do you know to research about it?


Alan: Because, the thing is, thereís got to be a reason for things.  Big, big movements, world movements, thereís always reasons for them.  They donít come into existence and become big, unless theyíre authorized.  And thatís how the people are led by the pied pipers and the dialectical arguments in fact.  Theyíve got to have sides created to oppose each other and then have a synthesis.  And when you understand that, youíve got to read the dry stuff to get the nitty-gritty.  And you always know whatís coming, because sure as blazes, they always publish it, you know.  And as I say, in reality, we donít have much of a say in this system.  Itís not our system.


Jackie: Well, thatís what my thought here.


Alan: Itís not our system. 


Jackie: And going back to regional governance, I didnít know about it, but it was known about almost from the get-go. There were certain people that were sounding the warning bells, as far back as the 1970s.  The Illinois State legislature set up a special committee to study the effects of regional governance.  I have three huge books, seven hundred and some pages of transcripts from those hearings.  And what the legislature came up with is we better damn stop it here.  And so, what they did is they passed a bill to set up a committee to study regionalism, to stop any further form of regionalism in Illinois, and to begin to undo regionalism that had already been put in place.  Well, the governor vetoed it.  And there werenít enough votes.  But this was the result of people that were involved and talking to these legislatures and bringing them information, and enough people putting the pressure on, that they did it.  And yet, it got vetoed by the governor.  So, there you go.


Alan: Thatís what Iím saying.  People donít realize that this is not their system.  There is a control mechanism at the top.  And they make sure of it.  Thatís how they never lose control.  Thatís why they can plan something a hundred years before and bring it into effect.  They always make sure they have their own people at the top.


Jackie: Well, of course.† Controlled opposition.


Alan: Yes.  And you know yourself, and youíve spoken about it before.  You have these United Nations Associations of Police Chiefs for instance.  And thereís one for mayors now. 


Jackie: Oh, everything, Alan.  Chiefs of police and mayors.  They have international associations for just about every, and they do have National Associations for every elected official from state legislatures to legislative aids.† Theyíve got them all.


Alan: And that was the reason they set up the United Nations.  It was bit by bit to take over every aspect of your life, really. And they have been at it and working at it.  And when they signed that deal, the UN deal, that was really the end of the old system, which the big boys also controlled.  This is just the updating of their system to the new system.


Jackie: And, for any of our listeners, that might not be aware of it, in case we have any new listeners, because I have said this.  The United Nations, of course, previously was the League of Nations.  Prior to that, it was the League to Enforce Peace.


Alan: And before that it was the Concert of Europe.


Jackie: Okay.  And people believe, I think, and I can relate to this, because, Alan, when I first woke up and became involved.  I believed things that I read, because people wrote them, with you know, a certain amount of authority.  But it is kind of a given or an accepted thing, that we signed a charter, that was a treaty with the United Nations.  Thatís what they call it, a treaty that was signed with the United Nations.  All the US did was enter into a membership, because treaties in the United States are made between governments.


Alan: Thatís right.


Jackie: And all they did was say, okay, weíre going to become a member of this nongovernmental association.  Well, actually the United Nations calls itself intergovernmental organization.† And all the other ones that are in it are nongovernmental organizations.


Alan: Thatís actually the Soviets.  That is the real Soviet, because the Soviet system, Soviet meant that.  It was rule by NGOs or councils.  And that is how the United Nations is comprised.  It is along those same lines. 


Jackie: Yes, it is.  I believe we mentioned this before.  Iíve mentioned it before, we have a piece that I transcribed from, right from the source.  I think it was back in the early 40s, or it might have been the late 40s, because they were already, you know, doing the UN.  We know they were doing it during the Second World War.  But anyway, it was called Peace by Pieces, and how the nongovernmental organizations, the NGOs were going to become, well, not the voice of the people, but basically it is the United Nations.


Alan: Thatís right.  And of course, the NGOs, the biggest ones, the authorized big boys, NGOs are not little grassroots movements.  They have buildings and staff and two or three or more floors for an NGO.  They pretend to speak on behalf of the public, and theyíre funded by the great foundations.


Jackie: The Chamber of Commerce is one of the biggies.  And you know, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts of America are part of the...


Alan: Thatís why they set them up.


Jackie: Yes.  And the YMCAs. 


Alan: Anything that would grab the young, especially.  I mean, most people go through their lives, and once theyíre married or theyíre in their twenties or thirties, theyíre into the system.  And from then on, itís a rush, a mad rush, until they retire.  And so, they always go for the young ones and give them a slightly different, modified system.  They keep them apart, and the generation gap, which is encouraged.  And so, they can always.  And the young ones always adapt so quickly.  Theyíre born into this system, which is different from their parents.  They adapt to everything in it so quickly, naturally, they donít question it.  And then the ones that come after them are the same for the next step and the next step.  And thatís how they do it.† Give us the children. 


Jackie: Give us the young.  Okay, here I am again.  Thereís a piece in our childrenís section, and it is the very first piece.  Itís a statement by Auguste Comte, and he said give us the young and we will change the world.  And folks, of course, Alanís website, Cutting Through the Matrix is linked there, but you can get directly to Alan by going to cuttingthroughthematrix.com, and oh, we havenít talked about this.  Thereís a new audio/video that was posted.  What was it, Sunday night, Alan? 


Alan: On Sunday.


Jackie: And it is a speech.  It is an audio speech.  I mean, an actual speech that John F. Kennedy gave, April 24th, was it Alan?  1961?  And what he was saying in this speech, folks, was that he was not going to allow to the extent of his power, he was not going to allow secret societies to exist.  And if you havenít heard it, Alan has commentary before and after, and the speech is there.  You will want to hear it.  Alan, I literally listened to that thing at least four times.† Well, because, of course, the language that he used, he didnít come out and say, you know, the Freemasons and...


Alan: Yeah, because itís all encompassing.  It also included the big boys, you know, the Bilderberg type, the Club of Rome, all the great foundations, because he was linked to these people through the money.  He understood the agenda.  And, the great foundations, even Weishaupt mentioned using philanthropy, meaning people with big bucks or organizations to force a direction in the world.  And thatís what theyíve been doing for a long, long, time.


Jackie: Yeah, and he was giving the speech to the Press Club, was it, and you know.


Alan: This is the same associated press, remember, that has the public scratching their heads, saying, why was he killed?


Jackie: Right.  Right, exactly.


Alan: And yet, here he is, talking aboutÖ


Jackie: How many people do you think ever heard that speech?  You heard it, you remembered it.


Alan: That was on the BBC years ago, because it was linked at the time to an oddball documentary on Freemasonry, and they showed that speech at the time.  And it was the same year, in fact, that I went to a friend, a school friendís wedding, his sisterís wedding.  And it was held in a Masonic Lodge.  And because it was like synchronicity, where things come together at the same time, the speech and the Masonic exposure documentary, and going to that Masonic, where the function was served, called the wedding function reception.  The father of the bride, who was drunk, lifted the son up to the keyhole, which was about eye level of an adult into this room.  And he lifted me up, and I saw the all-seeing eye on the east.  It was coming down from the roof on a pipe.  And this big huge eye, and below it was a sort of pyramid thing, a stepped pyramid.  And that stuck in my head, like synchronicity.† And thatís when I started looking into the secret societies, because these lodges were all over the place.


Jackie: Remember when he mentioned the press as the on-party press.  That was quite telling, wasnít it? 


Alan: Well, itís true.  Itís not really even what we think of as parties.  To me, there are no sides.  Thereís only one side.


Jackie: Right, exactly, basically that is what he was saying. 


Alan: Itís a system.


Jackie: When Republicans are in, they bash Republicans, when Democrats are in, well, it depends on what theyíre doing, what their handlers are having them do, I guess I should say.


Alan: Yeah, because these people remember, most of them on the federal levels are all millionaires.  They all have the shares in the same corporations.  They know the future agenda, thatís why they do their investments and so on, into those big corporations.  They know where the world is going to go, and they put on this dog and pony show for the public. 


Jackie: Lining their pockets. 


Alan: They line their pockets.  And thereís nothing new in that, if you look at the histories of Britain, it was such aÖ


Jackie: Well, what do you think they did in Rome, Alan? 


Alan: I know.  And thatís why even the Roman Senate was called the Senate.  And the Senate is an Egyptian word, it means the chess board.


Jackie: Oh, wow, I didnít know that. Did you tell us that before?


Alan: I donít know.


Jackie: Chessboard.


Alan: I think Iíve mentioned it before.  Because thatís what the chessboard was called in Egyptian.  And, of course, thatís why even in Britain now they have the black and white squares in the House of Lords.


Jackie: Thatís an Egyptian word?† Oh, my.  Chessboard, oh, Alan.


Alan: Thatís why you have the black and the white, the profane and those in the light, is light and black, you see.


Jackie: And those that they say are in the light, are the ones that are in the dark, right?


Alan: Oh, yeah.


Jackie: Sure.


Alan: So, they can control the real world, and they give a different version for the profane, those who are in the dark.  And thatís why the Owl, of course, Sophia, Wisdom, is one of their high symbols, because the Owl that sees in the dark is the Land of the Blind.  Itís all masonic.  Itís high occultic, really.


Jackie: Well, I listened, I told you this.  Is that archive to your broadcast that you did Sunday night on Feet to the Fire? 


Alan: Actually, I think itís going to be streaming.  Itís been showing in different places, in different countries.


Jackie: No, Iím not talking about the television thing.  Feet to the Fire, the one you did ten toÖ


Alan: Twelve.


Jackie: Yeah, ten to twelve, Sunday night.


Alan: I think thatís maybe up on there, on the website now, I think.


Jackie: Okay.  Well, I would like to urge our listeners to go and listen to that.  It was excellent.  And I, as told you, I thought that the host, I mean, you could hear his intelligence, his sincerity.  He just sounded like a for-real guy, Alan.


Alan: Yes.  He was interested for sure. 


Jackie: Yes, he was.  Yes, he was.


Alan: And also that TV one will be broadcast on the 25th, I think.  And itís been shown in some countries as well.  So, that was the Out There one.  Out There.  And once itís been broadcast, Iíll put it up on the site too. 


Jackie: Cool.  And he asked you a question that was really the same question that I had asked you, because it has been kind of confusing, why are they letting you say all these things.  And would you respond, tell our listeners how you responded to that. 


Alan: I think I said on that one, that was really, theyíre so cocksure of themselves now that they really donít care.  They know that the public is off balance with everything else thatís going on.  And people generally look at their immediate needs or fears or whatever, so they can always keep them off balance about the coming bird flu or whatever, you know.† Theyíre terribly sure and arrogant of it.  Theyíre very arrogant right now, in fact.


Jackie: Well, they say that there will come a time that thereís nothing anybody can do about it.  Now, that is arrogance.  I mean, when we look back, well, I canít look back the way you do.  But from what, you know, you have shared with us, theyíve tried this over and over and over again, and maybe they havenít been as close this time.  Thatís what you said before, that you had a sense, because they didnít have as high technology as they do today, but, theyíve never been successful.


Alan: Well, maybe itís a saving grace in a sense.  Their defect is their craving for power.  Itís abnormal.  I mean itís not normal.  Itís beyond the norm.  And because of that, their ego is incredibly huge, and thereís only going to be one throne here for the world, and each one of the big boys wants to be seated there, you see.  So, their Achilles heel is always when they start fighting each other.  Theyíre not concerned about the little people.  Although, the little people can take a terrible beating, as the Titans dance around in their death throes.  But itís very possible theyíll start on each other, eventually.


Jackie: And another saving grace, is, as you said, when enough people wake up to it, and become enlightened, self-enlightened, if you will, because thatís the only way itís going to happen, although, people like you, who share the information, and plant the seeds, Alan, maybe begin that search, that seeking of knowing thyself, because thereís nothing else to seek, when enough people are enlightened, and will it to be another way, it can be another way.


Alan: Yeah, but it takes an awful lot of work.  Because I never say Iím here to save this system.  You see most people truly want to save it.


Jackie: Iím not talking about saving the system, you know that.


Alan: You see, most people, really, and thatís why they listen to the shortwave, the big shortwave stations.


Jackie: Weíve got to save the country, take our country back.


Alan: Letís just stop time here.  Donít let it get any worse.  Let me live my life out the way I want it to be, and then you can start time again.


Jackie: I mean, itís bad enough now, but just donít let it get any worse.† Because, I can handle it.  Iím still alive. 


Alan: And Iíve got my hobbies, and so on.  So, thatís what they really want, and they donít realize that even the system we live in today was manufactured this way.


Jackie: However, weíre talking about the masses.  And there are those who have for some reason escaped that.  Those are the ones that this message is for, arenít they, Alan. 


Alan: Thatís just exactly right.  Thatís exactly right.  The ones who have died a thousand deaths, as they say.  And you die off to everything that you thought wasÖ 


Jackie: Oh, man. Thatís not easy either, you know.† Thatís a real journey. Thatís a real trip.


Alan: And yet, you have to do it to really understand who you are, and what life is all about, you have to die to all the things that you took for granted.  And you have to question them all first, before you even get there.  And you realize, my God, thereís nothing in this system that really is natural.


Jackie: Yes, and I think, I just have always felt this, that people who are listening to Sweet Liberty, that they wouldnít be listening if they werenít at least potentially part of that realm of people who are seeking truth, who want truth, and who are willing to accept and face it, no matter howÖ


Alan: Hard it is.


Jackie: Oh, how hard it is.  And there is a time of disorientation, and I know you recall this, when, Alan, literally, and it seemed like it lasted for weeks.  I was walking around and doing things, and feeling like I wasnít here, because anything I looked at, everything I looked at it just wasnít real.  And you said, well, thatís a good place to start.  Let it all go.  And let all of the American DreamÖ† Alan, they said it right, didnít they?  They gave us a Dream.  They made it the right thing.  They said, itís a Dream, folks.  And we said, oh, the American Dream, only in America.  And I cried, you know, when we were singing the National Anthem.  When youíre as into the system as I was that way, and I bet you a lot of our listeners are or were.  It is, itís not an easy thing to do.  And yet, once youíre out of it, there is a freedom.  And we are going to take about a three-minute break, here, and so folks, weíll be back after this, Alan Watt.


(Commercial Break)


Jackie: So, we give up our dreams, Alan.† Our American Dream.  What do they give you guys in Canada?


Alan: They had a bit closer to the American Dream, they had material substance for a while, but of course, the agenda had a different future envisaged.  And, in fact, at the end of World War II, so many factories had been built in Canada to deal with the war production, that Canada was rated, even by the UN, to be one of the worldís leaders in industry.


Jackie: Even, even above the US?


Alan: At that time.† And because itís a socialist country under the British Commonwealth, the same system.  So, theyíd used this public/private deal long before we heard of it here, or in the States.  And they had to take the taxpayersí money and build all the factories.  But, of course, they had a different plan scheduled for Canada.  And they actually started to deindustrialize back in the late 70s, about the same time as they were deindustrializing Britain.


Jackie: And killing the family farms here in America.


Alan: Oh, yeah, yeah.  Because then, and of course, the United States, you never get the truth on anything.  You know, people who work for government, swear oaths, to the secret oath basically for their service.  And theyíre under the Official Secrets Act.  So, they know that thereís an agenda at all time.


Jackie: Wait, say that again. 


Alan: Everyone who works in government takes the oath.


Jackie: In US government too?† They take secret oaths?


Alan: Itís an oath to secrecy. That they must keep everything, in Britain, it used to be 35 years after retirement, you couldnít speak.  So, in other words, youíd be dead.


Jackie: You mean, if I became a US Congressman, Iíd have to make an oath. Take an oath.


Alan: Under National Security.† And you see, youíve got to understand what theyíre talking about when they say National Security.  And itís a corporate state that you know nothing about, then to the public.  And of course, they have the agenda for that nation.  So, they cannot disclose it.  So, we always find out fifty years after the fact as to when this part or that part was signed, or, you know.  Weíre always way behind in reality, our reality.


Jackie: Well, and not only that, but think about this.  They continue to change their definition of National Security. 


Alan: Yes.  Because in democratic countries, democracy has always been flexible.


Jackie: And securing the homeland.† You know, Alan, when I saw that phrase.  Weíre securing the homeland.  You look up the word, secure, itís theyíre securing their property, so to speak.


Alan: You fix it, you tie it, to secure something.


Jackie: Yeah.  It has nothing to do with securing the people, or offering some type of protection.  Whatever.  I mean, itís all such a sham, but just look up the dog-gone word, securing, and weíre securing the homeland.  And then you have to say, whose homeland?  When was America ever referred to as "the homeland"? 


Alan: And no doubt, somewhere in the federal government, there will be a legal definition of what they mean by that.† And thatís what someone can do a search and find out.† So, they will have a legal definition of it.


Jackie: You know, I have something Iím going to email you and ask you to take a look at it.  Iíve been getting emails from the Homeland Security Investment.  And I sent it over to Darren.  And I said, Darren, would you please look at this.  It looks like.  I mean, what else could be called Homeland Security.  And I keep getting these emails about all the good investments and how their investments have grown, and etc.  And itís the Homeland Security Investment.  And I thought, well, here we are, a separate corporation from the US government incorporated.  So, Iíll send it over to you, and see if you can take a look at it and see.  Darren just thought it must be not something that was actually connected with the Department of Homeland Security.  But, what company would have the right to call themselves Homeland Security?


Alan: Well, an authorized one.  Because Federal Express is not Federal.  Or even the Treasury. Same sort of thing.  So, yeah, most things are actually privately owned, as you know.† In fact, this whole public/private deal.  And this was discussed back in the 1950s.


Jackie: Public/private partnership.


Alan: It was a general from NATO.  He talked about the future armies being basically private armies, owned by corporations, you know, secure various mineral wealth, etc, in different countries.  So, most things really are private today.  Thatís why youíre a private when you join the army.  Youíre now owned.  Youíre privately owned. 


Jackie: And thatís why you own dog tags.  I mean, you wear dog tags.


Alan: And of course, thatís really what it means.  But everything is done through this corporate structure and corporate legalism through the names that weíre given.  Even the countriesí names, etc.  And even Washington D.C.  You know, itís a corporation.  So, everything is done through private corporations, really.  Because they rule over the public, it doesnít mean itís your system, itís actually their system.  Itís a private system.


Jackie: You know, that one.  Oh, I know what it was.  Greg S.  I listened to that.  And, you know, they were talking so much about the Jesuits, sort of like, okay, itís all the Jesuits.  Well, Alan, I read Tupper Saucyís book, and unless he fabricated all of the bibliographies and footnotes, they could lead one to believe that the Jesuits were behind everything. 


Alan: Remember, years ago, I said to you on the radio, I said, if you look into itís this group, itís that group.  Itís whatever group.  Youíll find lots of books to back it up.  And if you read them all, theyíll all appear to be right.† And thatís when you realize, itís all true, because thereís only one big group running them all.  And that is how power is, always. 


Jackie: So, each of the different societies have their different little deals that theyíre going to work.  He sent me his book.  And he said, if I didnít like it, would I please send it back.  Well, I had so many highlights and notes.  I mean, I was really fascinated with this book, and then I get to the end of it, and he says, we have exactly the government that weíre supposed to have.  You know, itís Godís Plan.


Alan: Oh, Godís Plan.


Jackie: Because weíve gotten so evil, that we have an evil government.† So, everything thatís happening is because weíre all so evil.  And I thought, oh shit.  Excuse my language.  And I looked at this book, and I thought, well, I canít send this back to him, because I had marked it all up.  But what a farce, Alan.


Alan: Itís a farce, but see, government can only exist when it has what appears to be enemies, who threaten you as an individual, a member of the public.  And they can stand up as governments and say, weíre here to protect you.  We want to tax you, and we want to organize you in a different way to defend you and take care of you.  So, the more enemies that you appear to have, the better.  And, of course, you cannot, in this day and age.  And itís been like this for a long, long time.  You cannot have secret organizations working independently.  Itís impossible not to be infiltrated.  Itís impossible.† It doesnít matter who you are.  And itís been like that for centuries.  And theyíre all really one, but they keep the semblance going, so itís to keep the public always confused. 


Jackie: And well, they keep the frontmen, the outer portico, so to speak.


Alan: And the public want someone they can identify with.  So, if youíre Protestant, youíll go for a Protestant leader.  Catholic for the Catholic leader.  Jewish go for the Jewish leader.  Black go for the black leader, and so they make sure they supply all the leaders and sure enough, whatever your belief is, your culture, your creed, thereís someone out there to lead you.  Take your pick.


Jackie: Yes.  It reminds me of the Council for National Policy.  All those phony conservatives, Christian conservative leaders.  They, I noticed this, when you look at the list of names of all the organizations, like, you know, Larry Pratt, gun owners of America, and Phyllis Schlafly, and I wonít go on and on, but I thought, well, each of them has an agenda.  And each of them is a bell for somebodyís button.† I mean, you know, the "right to life"-erís go for Eagle Forum.  And the "right to carry and bear arms" is...


Alan: Thatís what Iím saying.  All these pied pipers come out.  And if you watch them carefully towards the end, it all starts going in the same direction before they merge.  And they bring all their followers with them.  Their followers end up saying, how did we end up here?  And so, thatís what Iím saying, whatever you want to believe in, itís like walking into a big store, a tailor store for a suit.  It doesnít matter what size you are, what height you are, or breadth you are, thereís one there for you ready made.  Take your pick.


Jackie: Youíll find something.† And they provide it for us.


Alan: And thatís been done for centuries and thousands of years, in fact.  Thatís why Mystery Babylon, it was hard to pinpoint.  Thatís why they called it Mystery.


Jackie: What was Mystery Babylon?  What is Mystery Babylon? 


Alan: Mystery Babylon is everything for everyone.† So, youíd have a bunch, say, those priests over in the West there.  No, itís the ones over in the East over there.  Oh, itís those ones to the North.


Jackie: Well, itís New York City.  Itís the Catholic Church.  Are you talking about Mystery Babylon in Revelations?


Alan: Yeah, and even before Revelations.  I mean, Babylon was a complete system of all religions, degrees of truth, secret societies, etc. 


Jackie: You mean, Babylon itself at the time.  Whoa.


Alan: Of all kinds.  And so, it was hard to put it down as Babylon was, blah, blah, blah.  It was everything, it was an entire system of economics, social control, war policies, foreign policies, everything.


Jackie: And now, is it true that where Iraq is where Babylon was. 


Alan: It was in that area.


Jackie: Do you think thatís connected with why, you know, the minute that they "invaded" that they went into the museums and all the archives?


Alan: We even talked on the air before that happened, remember?  And theyíd just shown a television program here on CBC, I think it was CBC, and it was about investors in New York and Louisiana, who were already taking bids for the antiques which they would steal from the museums in Iraq.  These were big multi-millionaires.  These were the go-getter guys.


Jackie: Well, and then the really, really big guys would get a hold of the ancient manuscripts. 


Alan: But, hereís the kicker, Jackie.  They knew before the American military went in and eventually got to there.  Now, it tells you that someÖ


Jackie: You mean this was before they went into the war?


Alan: Yes.  But these guys had already taken the bids.  They were cocksure to get what they wanted.  How would you be able to say that unless you had contacts in the CIA, who would go in with the troops and cordon off the museums and take the pick?  Thatís how it had to have been done.  Thatís how it had to have been.


Jackie: Because, it really is a bedrock of civilization, isnít it?


Alan: Itís ancient.  Even Bill Clinton when he was in, had been on, many thousands of Cruise Missiles had been going over into Iraq every few years.  Thatís when the embargo and they were starving them all to death. 


Jackie: Alan, they were doing by-weekly bombing runs. 


Alan: Yes.  Putting all these Cruise Missiles from ships.  And I used to wonder, because most of them are landing in the desert.  And I says, thereís nothing there.  But there was something there.  There were ancient sites there, archaeological sites, and they were destroying evidence.  Which would probably knock religions, etc, out of the window.  Thatís what I think.† They were hitting ancient archaeological sites.  And digs. 


Jackie: That would what, did you say?


Alan: Knock a lot of the religions out the window.† I mean, people donít realize how powerful a tool the established religions have always been. 


Jackie: Iím sure, which the Dead Sea Scrolls would have done.† If the Dead Sea Scrolls were found as they said they were, you think about this, they were held under lock and key for fifty years, Alan.  Only seven.


Alan: Well, I know, if theyíre even genuine.


Jackie: Thatís what I said.  If there were Dead Sea Scrolls.† Thatís the problem.  Everything we talk about, we donít even know if itís real. 


Alan: The thing that gets me, some young shepherd, supposedly boys, one day threw stones in and they heard a clunk, because they hit a jar in a cave.  Now, little boys go into all kinds of caves, and supposedly for a couple of thousand years no one had done so?  Thatís impossible.


Jackie: Well, there you go.  Thank you for that Alan.


Alan: But these routes were not out of the way.


Jackie: So, here I am, talking about the fact that they had the Dead Sea Scrolls under lock and key, for fifty years, and they probably donít even really exist. 


Alan: See, you can manufacture anything to look old.


Jackie: Exactly.  Well, thank you.  Thank you.  That, you know what, thatís what Cutting Through the Matrix is, isnít it.  You know, you have the perfect label, name for your website.  And I think you said, itís sort of like breaking the spell.  You break the spell that has been cast.  Thatís Cutting Through the Matrix.  And you know, we talked about this.  This is kind of on the same line.  When I was learning about the way theyíre teaching children to read.  Look/say reading.  And Iím really not off track here, off our point.  I was talking to Charlotte Iserbyt, and she said this on the air.  I wouldnít even want my child to learn the Ten Commandments by Look/Say reading.  And I said, I donít understand that, why?  She said thereís no transference.  Well, I didnít understand that.  Then I had Anita Hoge on, and Alan, this is when I really got it.  She said, when we are really learning something, letís look at the brain like a tree and the brain stem.  And when the child begins to learn, all of these synapses are created.  Those are the branches, the twigs.  And each area, for example, science and geography and reading.  And those are main branches.  Mathematics.  And then thereís all the little twigs.  But she said, everything is connected.  So, the child actually can think and reason.  Now, with look/say reading, they donít have any concepts.  They learn a word, and she said, now, picture the brain with a bunch of dashes in it.  Nothing is connected.  Thereís no connection any place.  Thereís no ability to reason or think. 


Alan: Yeah, well, thatís ideal for a population thatís going to go through big changes. 


Jackie: Yes, but why did I go into that?  I said, Iím not off our point.  Where were we?


Alan: Well, things like the Dead Sea Scrolls and how theyÖ


Jackie: And the Matrix.


Alan: And the Matrix, because, yeah, I mean, I looked at where they found the Dead Sea Scrolls and, now, for thousands of years the same shepherd boys have gone on the same routes.  Itís not like it was a huge, massive country here, you know, like the Sahara or the desert.  It was the same general routes.  And boys explore everything. 


Jackie: Right.  But we were talking about Cutting Through the Matrix.† And when we were talking about this on the air, my question was, okay.  Things that have been brainwashed into people, just these synapses that have this information in it, that they believe.  And I asked you, how, how would a person become unbrainwashed?  Could those synapses be replaced with actual truth, or would it have to be cross-circuited?  And you said, I think it would have to be cross-circuited.  Which made sense to me.  It has to be a shock.  And I think thatís what Cutting Through the Matrix is, Alan.


Alan: Yeah, you have to.


Jackie: Talk to people.


Alan: Itís like this stuff.  See, people parrot what theyíre given to parrot, and Brzezinski said that in his own book, that they give us the topics to talk about.  And they always have.  And I thought about that one not long ago, where NASA claimed it sent off some multi-billion dollar spaceship up into space to collect some space dust, you know, and they got something less than one gram or something.  And they prattle on about that, no doubt, at cocktail parties people prattled on about this nonsense.  And they tell us such utter rubbish, you know.  And most of the data in our lives is just that.  Itís just data.  And itís like telling us that they send all these shuttles up there to see if spiders can have sex in space, you know.  I mean, itís utter tripe.  Itís tripe.  Because thatís not the function of those things at all. Theyíre up there putting up satellites that are going to watch you and monitor you and stuff like that.  But they give us rubbish on a consistent, daily basis.


Jackie: They say that those satellites are so powerful that they can see a mole on your butt.


Alan: Yeah, they could.  But this is the rubbish they feed us, consistently.  And thatís how itís always been.  Weíre fed nonsense.  Utter nonsense. 


Jackie: Doesnít it make you feel creepy sometimes?  Sometimes when Iím outside, and I think, you know, there could be a satellite zeroing in.  And it could be like theyíre ten yards away.


Alan: Yes, I know. 


Jackie: You know, whatever youíre doing. 


Alan: And they have so many up there that it boggles the mind.


Jackie: Oh, yeah.  Chuck and I used to sit out on the side deck, at night you know, and turn off the lights in the house.  And just because itís beautiful up here and you know, when there arenít the chemtrails, the stars are, thereís just billions and billions of them.  But we just sat there one night, and suddenly, we saw this star moving.  And suddenly, he said, that isnít a star.  Itís a satellite.  And we watched that satellite make its little trek, and then we kept finding satellites, Alan.  Theyíre all over. 


Alan: Yeah, and thatís the ones that you can see.  You know. 


Jackie: Yeah, thatís the ones we could see.


Alan: Itís like the latest NASA thing.  They said, oh, they sent another multi-million dollar satellite to start tracking the weather patterns, to see how clouds form and how they move.  Oh, gee.  They did this long before they started the chemtrails, because they use those patterns to move the chemicals.  Weíre fed nonsense on a daily basis.  And itís always been that way.  And itís so amazing to me that scientific theories, this is how weíre taught in the bottom Matrix, everything is theory, which is taught as fact.  They keep changing the theories every few years without saying, oops, I guess we were wrong with the last ones.


Jackie: I told you about the, well, I read an article, in fact, I havenít sent it to Darren yet.  I read an article, I think in the Tribune.  I donít think I told you about this, but maybe I did.  But it was, this article talked about the hoax of global warming.  And it mentioned two Time magazine articles.  One was from 1974.  And the other one was from 2006.  And the one in 1974, talked about we were going into an Ice Age.  And I had to find that article, and so I did a search, and dog-gone it, I found it.  And they were talking about all the terrible weather that we were having then, the droughts and the floods and all this unusual weather, and it was all because we were about to enter a new Ice Age.  And then, you read Time Magazine, 19, whatever it was, it was 2006, it was this year, March something.  And it says, "Be Worried.  Be Very Worried."  And it tells about all the weird, wild weather.  It says, itís because of global warming.  And Iím going to send.  I didnít want to just send an article over there that talked about these articles.  I found both of them, Alan.


Alan: And thatís after, of course, the US Air Force said that they would be able to own the weather.


Jackie: Weíve got that in our weather.


Alan: It canít be related of course, eh?


Jackie: But like you said, they just keep changing the story.  And you know, from 1970 whatever, to 2006, well, heck, people arenít going to remember that.


Alan: No, they wonít. 


Jackie: So, if you put up both articles, donít just read an article about those articles but actually read them, you can see the lies.  You can see the lies.  Iíve got both of those articles ready, and havenít sent them over to him, and I need to do that.  You know, weíre just about out of our hour here.  And so, tell our listeners whatever you would like to say.


Alan: Well, theyíve got to find themselves and then empty their minds of all the refuse and garbage thatís been instilled of us, and start thinking for themselves.  And theyíll be surprised what they come up with. We can all do it, you know, if we want to. 


Jackie: Yes, and you know what it takes, Alan.  Quiet time.


Alan: Quiet time and thinking time.


Jackie: Well, you canít think if youíve got a radio blasting.


Alan: Thatís right.  All youíre doing is following an agenda. 


Jackie: You canít think if the television is blaring.  So, the quiet time is the important time, that allows us to get in touch with that part of ourselves.


Alan: Well, weíre using something weíre all given, and thatís our own brain and mind, to think with.  Itís amazing how we give it away to others to do our thinking for us.  Amazing.


Jackie: Well, it is true though that without that quiet, itís not going to happen.  It canít happen.


Alan: It canít happen.


Jackie: And for our listeners who have small children, who, my grandchildren, they have their own little boomboxes or whatever.  Theyíve got headsets and they, you know, when theyíre traveling theyíll go ahead and put the headsets on.  So, nobody talks to each other.  I say, take them away.  Explain to the children why I did it, with the grandchildren that summer, and said please just leave it in here and go out there and just hear the birds and hear Godís music.


Alan: And talk to each other. 


Jackie: And talk to each other.  So, as parents, we have responsibilities for our children.  Alan, thank you for tonight.


Alan: Itís a pleasure.


Jackie: Thank you.  Folks, weíll be back with you Wednesday night.  Darren will be with you, Monday and Tuesday.  So, be sure to tune in.  Good Night, folks.


Alan's Materials Available for Purchase and Ordering Information:


"Cutting Through"
  Volumes 1, 2, 3


"Waiting for the Miracle....."
Also available in Spanish or Portuguese translation: "Esperando el Milagro....." (Español) & "Esperando um Milagre....." (Português)


Ancient Religions and History MP3 CDs:
Part 1 (1998) and Part 2 (1998-2000)


Blurbs and 'Cutting Through the Matrix' Shows on MP3 CDs (Up to 50 Hours per Disc)


"Reality Check Part 1"   &   "Reality Check Part 2 - Wisdom, Esoterica and ...TIME"