June 28th, 2006
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru


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Jackie Patru: Alan, thanks for being here tonight.


Alan Watt: Yeah, itís a pleasure on a rainy day.


Jackie: On a rainy day.  Yeah, well it hasnít rained today.  Itís been very muggy, but oh, my Gosh, well, let me put it this way.  Well, and I thought about this last evening, as a matter of fact, because yesterday it poured off and on all day, but it was just torrential.  And I thought if I had planted a garden, it would all be mush now.† And the reason I wasnít able to, of course, was because of my hand.  I couldnít get it.  We had two beautiful weeks in May, and I thought about this Alan.  Dry, hot, and not humid.  So, all of your winter thaw was dried up and the farmers were out there tilling the fields, getting their crops in.  People got their gardens in, and two weeks later it started raining.  And itís never really been dry enough since.  And the man that is, well, heís a neighbor down the road.  He had some corn planted across the road, and he stopped by today, and he said that his whole crop is flooded out, the whole crop.  And, I thought to myself, well, now, you donít know any time itís coincidence.  We donít ever know anymore if any weather is "natural weather".  But doesnít it sound like something that would be done intentionally. 


Alan: Well, we know theyíve already been doing it intentionally in the past.  And theyíve given the farming areas droughts for years and then floods.  And even today, amongst the thunderstorms, and the rain, when the clouds were breaking up, you could see them still spraying between the clouds.  So, theyíre really going at it.


Jackie: Yeah.  As a matter of fact, it hasnít rained all day here, and itís raining right now, Alan.† Itís their signature.


Alan: Itís their signature.  And the mosquitoes are cheering away there, you know, because they just love this weather. 


Jackie: Well, what they love is the control of the lives of people, Alan.


Alan: I know.


Jackie: And before this, as you called me before, we went on the air, and we were talking about how fast time goes.  And I had mentioned to you, that, and I just thought that we would chat about this for a minute, because Iíd like your thoughts on it.  I wonder if something cosmically is going on, that has speeded up our perception of time.  And I read someplace.  I donít remember where it was or somebody told me this, that today, 24 hours is equivalent to what 16 hours used to be.  What are your thoughts on that?


Alan: Itís difficult to say, although, we do know that in different times in history, you see the Earth doesnít go around the sun in a definite circle.  Itís more oval shaped anyway.  And it doesnít go in exactly the same path, year after year, thereís variations.  And we know at different times, down through the centuries, theyíve had warming periods and cooling periods.  And even in the Middle Ages, they didnít bother building chimneys at one point for two hundred years, because they didnít need fires inside the houses.  And then it was followed by another cooling period and back in went the chimneys.  So, this happens up and down.


Jackie: But, itís a long, slow process, isnít it?


Alan: It comes on gradually, you know, over fifty, a hundred years.  And then it lasts two hundred, and then you go back to the opposite again.  So, this does definitely happen.  And, of course, time itself is judged by matter moving in space.  Thatís what time is.  And so, it does make sense in a sense, that, since everything else supposedly bends in space, even light bends, then itís possible that even time could bend itself.  You know, so these are all theories that are always getting banged around.  Iím sure at the very top level, they understand it, as opposed to the bottom level Matrix, where they give us theories.


Jackie: Yeah, well, I know it isnít just me.  Because everybody I talk to has the same thing to say.  They just cannot believe how fast time is flying.  The day is gone, before, I donít know, itís just, itís just, it is kind of a weird feeling, isnít it Alan.


Alan: Again, too, itís also, we were talking once before about the psychotronic weaponry they do admit they have, and Brzezinski wrote about in Between Two Ages, one of the effects of the constant bombardment of the HAARP type technologies, itís to effect your mood, your emotion, and itís very possible that when they put you into a certain frame of mind, time would seem to fly by.  That is true.  So, if anything is happening, Iíd probably think first of all that science is doing it.


Jackie: Well, I do too.  I donít see anything today that would be what we would call natural.  Even if it is, I donít know it, because I see that nothing is, Alan.† Thatís the way my own perception has become.


Alan: I was reading, now, theyíre putting in genetically modified plum trees.  And from these modified plum trees, theyíre going to bring out the new type of sweetener that will take over the existing ones.


Jackie: A sweet plum?


Alan: I guess so.  But itís a modified one.  And Iím sure that everything we eat modifies us.  Thatís probably the main objective.  So, yeah, weíre being heavily re-engineered, and we have been for quite some time. 


Jackie: Do you ever buy oranges at the grocery store?


Alan: Iíve done it, and they donít taste like Orange. 


Jackie: And tangerine.† I can remember tangerines, when you used to go to peel it, if youíd get your nail in there, and the skins would just fall off.  And your tangerine would come apart in those little sections.  Even what they call tangerines today, they donít peel like that.  They peel more like an orange.  They donít taste like aÖ  I think weíve forgotten what food tastes like, Alan.


Alan: Itís the insidiousness of it all.  And I know, they admitted a few years ago in the newspapers that even all the coffee is modified, all the coffee beans and shrubs.  And the growers were forced to do it by the purchasers.  They made them change over or they wouldnít buy from them.  So, it makes you wonder why that was a priority for the purchasers to push this stuff on all the producers.  Whatís the real effect of all this modified stuff on us, you know. 


Jackie: I read an article.  I do not know if this article is for real.  I would like to find the source of it, as talking about the technology and that.  It said that they did a test and that two cellphones, where one cell phone called the other, and then they laid them down and put an egg in the middle.† Did you read that, Alan?


Alan: No, no.


Jackie: In an hour, the egg was cooked.


Alan: I donít know.


Jackie: Yeah, see, I donít know either.


Alan: I doubt that.  If it was that obvious, they wouldnít give it to us.  Whatever they do doesnít have to be so immediately obvious.  So, they wouldnít be that crazy.   Iím sure theyíd do it, if they could get away with it, mind you.  But certainly, the long-term use of the cell phone, Iím sure, has effects on people.


Jackie: Simply because of the waves from the transmitters, the towers, coming right in.


Alan: Itís in that frequency that the infrared is in with the microwave type frequency range.


Jackie: There you go.  Well, microwaves can cook eggs.† You know what?  I guess it would be pretty easy for somebody to do that test themselves, wouldnít it? 


Alan: It certainly would, if someone has got two phones.  I guess thatís an addict, has one for each ear.  They want to hear in stereo.


Jackie: Or two friends.  Everybody has them.  I was talking to Amber before you called me, and she was, you know, talking about her cellphone.  And I said, Amber, do you know that there have been articles written, allegedly that these are medical, you know, medically proven that cell phones can cause brain tumors.  Well, how does it do that, ma?  And I said, well, I explained what I understood.  I said, the towers that the signal comes from, is being received by the phone, and itís going right into your head, because the phone is right next to your ear.  And then she says, well, everybody has to have a cellphone, ma-ma.  Thatís what she said.  God, love her.


Alan: You see, thatís the problem.  They bypass the older ones and go straight to the children, because the children believe the big They, the big They up there, that seems to decide everything, would never do anything to harm us.  They truly believe that. †They really believe that. 


Jackie: And well, then we have parents, who you know.  You know, I could see it, if it was totally only absolutely used for an emergency.† I could see that.  But those are the phones they use.


Alan: I know, and of course they put more and more gadgetry on it for the youngsters to be attracted even more to it.  And actually itís a stepping stone towards monitoring wherever you go.  They admit theyíre used for that, already.  And itís a stepping stone from computer to that to the blueberry one, where it does the internet and everything, to a chip in your body.  Thatís the whole, training us, step by step to the final end.


Jackie: And yes.  If they can do it with the global positioning with the cars, very possibly.  Now, there are cellphones you can purchase.  You donít have to give name, address or anything, and you can buy time and have them recharged, you know, itís so much for so many minutes.  Now, that would be something.  They might know where that phone is, but they donít know who the heck has it.


Alan: Oh yeah they do.


Jackie: How?


Alan: Because they have every person whoís ever used a phone, they have their voice print.† Theyíve had that for years.


Jackie: Okay.  Hadnít thought of that one.


Alan: Every single individual has got a voice print already recorded. 


Jackie: To synthesize our voices.† One night, our listeners may think theyíre listening to Alan and Jackie, and theyíre listening to, whatever, synthesizing the voice.


Alan: Yeah, you see, weíre really living in the past all the time.  Because the whole object of having power is keeping power.  And you keep power by never sharing all the latest with the public.  In fact, you train the public to believe that theyíre on the cutting edge all the time and whatever is new in the stores is the utter latest of its kind. 


Jackie: Or theyíll say, within two years we ought to have this perfected. 


Alan: Thatís right.


Jackie: When, in fact, theyíre using it on us already.


Alan: I mean, they were using solid-state circuitry, micro-circuitry back in the í40s and í50s, before we even heard of a transistor.† So, sure. 


Jackie: Well, talking about the weather, well, we were.  I wanted to let our listeners know that, I did, I was able to send those articles over to Darren, and heís got them posted.  I thought they were important, because, in 1974, I did mention this last week, I believe.  Time magazine had an article in there called, "A New Ice Age", and they said that the planet had been cooling for the past several decades, and they did say too, that the, I believe they said it, that it is a slow process.  But that it looks like weíre going into a new Ice Age.  Well, then, here we are in 2006, and both of those articles are posted, so people can see them, with their own eyes, in 2006, "Be Worried.  Be Very Worried.í  And in that one, the author said, well, it used to be thought that, you know, that global changes happen very slowly.  But, suddenly, this one is on us.  Itís on us, right now. 


Alan: Well, I realized how we can cut back on greenhouse gases, though.


Jackie: Quit eating beans?


Alan: No.  We could do that too.  But what we could also do, is for every good citizen of the planet, you see, because weíre all global citizens now.  We can only breathe half as much as we normally do.  And that way, youíre not putting so much carbon dioxide out, and you could tax joggers and people like that more forÖ


Jackie: Sure, for using up more oxygen.


Alan: Thatís right.  So, we should all practice just holding our breath, you see.  And eventually, we can use half as much air.


Jackie: Excuse me.  That email has told me this.  Betty usually didnít, I donít know, I never known of her saying anything that she couldnít back up.  It was in a phone conversation though.  But, she said it was the Rothschilds that were cutting down these rain forests.  And when you think about it, theyíre behind the environmentalist movement too, becoming their own opposition, the cutting of the rain forests.  But think about the loss of oxygen, Alan, because the trees give out.  What do they give out?


Alan: Oh, they give out oxygen. 


Jackie: And take in the carbon.


Alan: Dioxide.


Jackie: Well, thatís a lot of trees, Alan.


Alan: But, you know, a lot of it is overblown, as well.  It truly is.  You know.


Jackie: A lot of what?


Alan: The propaganda weíre given to make us believe things.  That theyíre cutting down the rain forests, and clearing it all, yada-yada-ya.  Because, I mean, if you come into Canada for instance, just go north of Toronto, and once you get past the farming lands, youíre going to see nothing but forests for hundreds of miles in all directions.  And they do timber it.  They donít clear cut.  They timber though.  And you know, thereís plenty of trees, and so on.  Theyíre always getting us panicking about something or other.  That doesnít mean that theyíve never clear cut in the past.  Theyíll always show you the same pictures over and over to give the youngsters the wrong point of view.


Jackie: To get them to be environmentalists.


Alan: Yeah, Iíve seen the same scene of a clear cut theyíve used for donkeyís years in one place in BC, you know.† They keep showing you the same one, over and over and over, in all the propaganda talks that they have.  But a lot of itís definitely overblown.  Because theyíre always creating crisis.  Most crises are not based on fact.  Itís like the bird flu. 


Jackie: And then they get people sending money to save the rain forest.


Alan: I know, a lot of people fell for that.


Jackie: Well, Iíve fallen for almost all of them.  I adopted little tortoises.  What else did I adopt, something else that was becoming endangered.  I sent a donation, Alan, when they were refurbishing the gift that what got from the Grand Orient Lodge, the Statue of Liberty.  I sent a fifty-dollar donation, because I thought it was so cool that they were doing that.


Alan: Thatís a lot of brass-o, yeah.  But, no, theyíve always got us doing something, and weíre always at the bottom of the ladder in the knowledge field, and thereís always a scam going on somewhere.  If nothing else theyíre scamming our mind, as well as our wallet.  But itís primarily the mind.  They rob us of our mind, you see.  To come to any factual conclusion, you must be supplied with all facts.  We never are.  We never are.


Jackie: Right, you know something.  This thought just happened in my mind.  I was just like, I wasnít just like everybody else.  I never have been.  I mean, I didnít go along with the crowd.  I didnít go along with styles.  But I believed in all this stuff.  Iíve told you this.  Iíve said it on the air.  I was so wrapped up in, in their lies, well, you know, like adopting little turtles, and having people call their US congressmen to stop a terrible bill, and all of this stuff.  And suddenly, itís almost like, when I did wake up, it was like with a bang.  And I wonder that if maybe I went through this, so that I can relate to people who are there.  Where I was, I can relate to it, Alan.


Alan: See, there are so many ways of viewing reality.  And it all depends on how youíve been indoctrinated, by the establishment.  They give you a version of reality.  Thatís why people canít fathom out that anything would be done to them to hurt them, if theyíve swallowed their 6 oíclock news reality and their education reality.  They can never figure it out, so that the big boys have all contingencies planned for themselves.  Because, number one, they must always save themselves, if there was something real.  They have underground places they could live for centuries, probably, if they did anything on top of the planet.  They have Arks, and itís been on television, from the World Wildlife Fund.  They have these big places they call arks, where they have the seed of the planet, they have the genes of every single animal and insect you could imagine and plant, stored, and they call them arks.  And one of them is in Louisiana.  And these are huge cryogenic facilities.  And theyíve successfully, on the public broadcasting program I watched, theyíve successfully implanted them, different species of animals, after being cryogenically frozen, at least their sperm and the ovum, and implanted other animals and brought them to term.  So, they can make anything reappear on this planet they wish to. 


Jackie: Do you think, do you suppose maybe the story of Noahís Ark was a story of the same?  I mean, really, when you think about it, an Ark that was big enough, two of every single animal on the planet, and you had to feed them, and you had to get rid of theirÖ


Alan: The muck.  Well, thatís why Noah, Noah, the first thing he did when he hit land was to grow a vineyard and get drunk.  He needed a break from all that, you see.


Jackie: If Iím not mistaken, I think that Jehovah was, smelled the sweet savor of cooking meat, and was glad.


Alan: Well, it got me too. I mean, how did they sacrifice if they only had two of everything, because if youíd sacrificed everything, youíd only have one left.


Jackie: Yes.  Well, maybe they took enough for the sacrifice.


Alan: Well, I guess they must have.  But yeah, I tell you, itís such aÖ


Jackie: Do you think that that was anÖ  I mean, we know the story.  It has to be an allegory, but do you think that would be a possibility that the same thing happened another time, and that they already had that technology?


Alan: Well, I donít know about that technology, if they were that far.  We donít know.  Thereís a lot of modern books, more into the fiction than reality.  However, we do know that peoples in past times have had safe places, where they have stored grain and food and stuff like that in mountains.  We know that the Sumerians came from the highlands, and even the grain that they planted was brought from the highlands.  It was much older.  So, they brought that with them too.  So, most ancient peoples have records of catastrophes and surviving, and having these store places for food, etc.  Thatís definitely been done before.  However, this thing with the Arks.  Now, thatís just the World Wildlife Fund, thatís headed by Prince Philip.  And the facility in Louisiana was a multi-million dollar facility, run by a professor, who also teaches at a university there.  So, these are not little, little, these are serious things.  And I wouldnít be surprised if the space station, the international space station, ISS or Isis, I wouldnít be surprised if thatís another ark, you know.† See, you can get most of the stuff for the planet in a huge deep freeze, you know.


Jackie: Yeah, I guess you could, couldnít you, if it was DNA.


Alan: And it sure saves mucking out the byre type thing.  Thereís no mucking out doing there.


Jackie: So, what have you been up to?


Alan: Oh, just trying to survive, basically, and get done what has to be done out.  Between just living and cooking and on the phone to people, talking to people, just getting by really.  Just getting by.


Jackie: Yes.  Itís interesting you say that.  You know, cooking.  It does take up a lot of your time, and you have to eat.


Alan: Yeah, the basics.


Jackie: And then you have the mess you made, and that has to be cleaned up.  And I thought about that.  I thought, geez, if you had all the time you spent, you know, preparing your meals.  Youíd have more time to spend to do stuff. 


Alan: Well, theyíll do that for us eventually.  Weíll be like Seven-of-nine.  When weíre all one, you see, weíre all linked to the one computer, youíll just go into a cubicle at night, and youíll get fed intravenously, and programmed for the next dayís tasks.  And so, we wonít have to go through all of this.  Thatís what theyíve got planned.


Jackie: You know that for sure.  I mean, youíve actually read this?


Alan: Thatís what the brain chip is all about.  Thatís what the Loyola meetings were all about, the worldwide meetings they held at university was about that very topic.


Jackie: Weíd get an injection in the place of meals.


Alan: Oh, yeah.  I mean, ultimately, youíll run on what they will say is total efficiency.  And at the moment, according to the big boys, weíre just too inefficient, and they must make us evolve, you see, to theóthe great leap forward is to be done scientifically.  It always was to be done scientifically.  And thatís what they mean by that.  Theyíll make us far more efficient as creatures or servants, you might say, and thatís what they have in store.  They have a brain chip eventually for everything.  All weíre doing is being trained, step by step to the next step, to the next step, until whatís the big deal if they put a chip in your head, and you can see a movie in your optic centers, you know, inside your head.  Thatís where itís all to go.  Thatís not the real reason to give it to you.  Thatís the bait to get you to take it.  But eventually, youíll just get fed intravenously.


Jackie: Well, they could give you enough calories.


Alan: Oh, yeah.  And they can also alter your whole metabolism.


Jackie: Okay, so in other words, the body would be so modified by that time, if it ever happens. 


Alan: Oh, itís going to happen.  I mean, all the science magazines, the science magazines for the last twenty years have had articles out on the different kinds of humans that they can make if they want to.  Right now. 


Jackie: I know that, but, you know, just because itís what they intend and itís what theyíre planning, and that it looks like theyíre so infallible, but we donít know that itís going to happen.


Alan: Right now thereís nothing to stop them.  In fact, the children who are maybe five, six right now, or ten even, wouldnít mind if they could become like the heroes in their comic books or their movies. 


Jackie: Well, is this for sure going to happen?† Why are we wasting time?


Alan: As a counter force, as a counter force, because at least if people hear what weíre saying.  If people donít speak out and point out what should be obvious to people, then the people wonít know to tell their children.


Jackie: But, if you are convinced that it is going to happen, let me tell you something, Alan.  If I was convinced it was going to happen, I wouldnít be doing this radio broadcast.


Alan: You see, theyíve already got a guy with a brain chip in Britain, that Professor Warwick, I think his name is.  Now, whether heís really got it, I donít know.  I donít know if itís a PR stunt to get us used to the idea, or what, you know.  But I know back in the í50s and í60s they were doing it with animals, the same thing. 


Jackie: Is this the guy that walks into his office, and the computer turns on?


Alan: I think so.


Jackie: He gets every, I mean, instead of having to put a print or something to open the door, the doors open for him.


Alan: Initially, I think he had one in his arm.  But now, supposedly, heís got one in his brain, you know. 


Jackie: Oh, yeah.  I think thatís when I read it.  He had one in his arm.  Alan, now you said thereís nothing to stop them, it is going to happen. 


Alan: Thereís nothing to stop them.


Jackie: But wait.  Weíre going to have to take a break here.  And Iíd like you to tell me, when we get back on the other side, why youíre doing everything youíre doing.


Alan: I just told you, because someone has to tell them the other side of the story. 


Jackie: Why, if itís going to happen?


Alan: A lot of people will go for this.  Just like theyíve gone for the cell phone. You canít stop them.


Jackie: When you say itís going to happen, thereís nothing we can do to stop it.


Alan: You canít stop it.  You canít stop people going ahead.


Jackie: In other words, youíre not saying itís going to be a global thing and that nobody will escape it.


Alan: Thatís right.  I mean, eventually, there are people who will hang out against everything.  And then, then it comes, the final thing.  They donít like forcing people to do things.  They prefer to make it impossible for you not to.  Thatís how they get round things.  But already, I mean, the biggest fad in the world right now is for the cashless chips to get inserted in youngstersí arms.  And they started that, it first started, I think, in Holland for nightclubs.  So, you get a prepaid amount of money swiped into this chip thatís implanted in your arm, and you can get into this really hot club, you know.  Now theyíve got one in Spain opening.  Itís opened up, theyíre doing the same there.† And the company thatís doing it, is based, I think in California.  And the guy who happens to be the head of this company, getting all the youngsters in, using sex, itís the old hormonal drive again.  If you want the hottest places to meet the opposite sex, you must go to these big clubs, the hottest clubs out.


Jackie: And you canít get into the clubs without the chip?


Alan: Thatís right.  And so you can just charge the chip with so many dollars, and you donít have to pay money for a drink.  Itís deducted automatically from your chip.


Jackie: They would scan you in other words. 


Alan: And this is the big trend.  And the guy who is out promoting this, just happens, just happens, listen to this, to be an ex-member of the NSA.  (Chuckle)  What a coincidence.


Jackie: Well, they have a revolving door, anyway, we know that.  They go from one. 


Alan: Well, heís still working for the NSA.  I mean the NSA, they want everybody chipped.  Thatís the bottom line.  So, here you, all you do is dress it up and make it sexy.  And the youngsters go for it, because theyíre driven by hormones and not their head. 


Jackie: I think it would be very good, if when youíre on a program, that if you say something like that that you would qualify it.  Because, the way itís said, itís going to happen.  Itís real nonchalant, and thereís nothing to stop them.


Alan: Yeah, but youíve got to accept that never in this world has the whole population of this planet said no about anything.  Itís never happened before.


Jackie: I understand, but what Iím saying is, I donít think itís your intention to put people in a mindset of just hopelessness, because, I, I donít know if youíre aware of how people hang on your words.  They listen to you.  And they take you very seriously.


Alan: Yeah, but they do know, they do know this, you know, that this is the next step.  The thinkers already know this.  They already know this.


Jackie: I donít think youíre getting what Iím saying.


Alan: I do hear you.  But the thing is, the thinkers already know it.  And I think the thinkers already know that Iím not saying this is going to be inevitable for everybody.  Now, it might come to a time where they try and pass it all by law, you know.  That might happen.  I donít know.  Theyíd prefer it not, though.  And right now, itís promoted through all their movies.   You canít watch a sci-fi movie now without seeing all this stuff in it.  And thatís what they said at Loyola.  They would promote it through movies, cartoons, novels, you know, and make this an exciting thing to have.  So, youíre in a world where most parents donít even communicate to their children.† In fact, the parents would be, you know, shocked, if they found out even what the children are being taught at school.  Because they get taught about this kind of stuff and the coming scientific age, etc.  So, thatís your big problem.  The parents have already, in fact, the parents, they just pay for the upkeep of the children.  And, like Bertrand Russell said, he said, the state will indoctrinate them.  So, you get the state and the media in cahoots.  And they sure do get indoctrinated well. 


Jackie: Well, I guess that if I thought that it was inevitable, I would spend my time doing the things that I like to do.  You know, I would start taking tap lessons again, and Iíd start painting, and I would totally spend the time in pleasantry.  And in my mind, knowing, that with God, Creator, all things are possible.  And youíve said it yourself, theyíve never, ever succeeded, and theyíre not going to this time.  It doesnít mean that there isnít going to be a lot of bloodshed and a lot of, you know, all of what weíve talked about going on.  But for them to be successful, I doubt it.


Alan: Well, even to be successful, theyíve got to getÖ


Jackie: Everyone.


Alan: Well, theyíve got to get at least 65% of the public to agree with them or to go along with it.


Jackie: Well, thank you for that.


Alan: And thatís generally what theyíve always.  They can pretty well always.  In all polls that are taken, thereís really the same percentage really that youíll find go along with anything.  Just to get along.  And so, they can always count on those people.


Jackie: Remember we talked about, thereís two things that made me think of Brave New World.  No, excuse me, Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwellís book.  When I said it one time to you, I said, one thing I didnít understand in that book is why they went to all the trouble to torture and torture and torture Winston, until he finally said, yes.  He had to, yes, I love Big Brother.  And then killing him.  And you said, because if thereís one holdout, theyíre not successful.


Alan: If thereís one holdout, thereís a flaw in their whole belief system.


Jackie: Exactly.† So, there we go, Alan.  Thatís another way of looking at it, isnít? 


Alan: Oh, it is.  Thereís no doubt with this bunch that are in power that do think theyíre gods, they wonít be happy until every knee bends.  Thatís a fact.  And one person standing up, or turning their back on them is enough to set them off on a rage, you know.  See, itís interesting.  See, people have always sought for a god, always, down through the ages.  And because the individual has a naturalÖ  Itís like Carl Jung said, he said, you canít weigh this, this fact, or feel it or see it or touch it or quantify it in any regular scientific way, but, because everybody, all down through the ages, has occasionally felt, thereís something else beyond all of this.  And then, of course, they gave you the priesthoods to use that need, and control you with your own need, you see.  So, thatís always been there.  So, when you take away all deities, all of that, even the old deities that serve them well, the controllers, that inclination is still there.  Thatís why they gave the New Age for the New Agers for the Age of Aquarius.  They gave it, they gave it to them, you see.  And all this oneness stuff.  And they will be one, if they all want to get hooked up to the same computer.  Good luck to them, you know.  But, this craving or need to know that thereís something else beyond you.  If they can destroy that, that connection, then thereís nothing between you and them as Gods.  And they always said that they would make the state God. They always, even Communists said that.  Theyíd eradicate all the deities and make themselves god over the people.  And thatís still what they want to do, worldwide, same thing.  And so for them to be worshiped as Gods.


Jackie: So, those in the state are mini-gods, huh?


Alan: Oh, yeah.  And thatís what they want.  Eventually, down the road, they want an obedient population that will obey the white-coated scientists, the new priesthood, and just do what theyíre told when these white-coated scientists speak and order them about.  Thatís what theyíre really after.  And itís so interesting that science is so close to sťance. 


Jackie: It puts people in a trance?


Alan: Well, it is interesting that all these big, high chutzpahs in the religions, Iím talking about the esoteric ones at the top, theyíre all into channeling, you know.  And you look at the supposed knowledge thatís come through channeling, itís all scientific stuff.  Itís all to do with science.  And a lot of the so-called famous scientists were into this.  Even going back to the 1500s.  So, thereís something to this.  Where does knowledge come from?  Where does knowledge, and sometimes even, thought, where does it come from?  Theyíve never been able to pinpoint in the brain how you are you.  What makes you, you?  As an individual.  They know if they can damage the part of the brain, you canít move this or you canít move that, or even your ability to speak, in a motor sense, is malfunctioned. But they canít pinpoint the ghost in the machine. 


Jackie: The ghost in the machine.


Alan: And so, thatís been a big debate as well.  But it also makes you wonder, where did these guys get their thoughts from.  What motivates them?


Jackie: Well, you know youíve said before, and I could not argue with this, even in my mind.  I donít think theyíre human. 


Alan: Whatever is in them isnít human.  Thereís no doubt about that, itís anti-human.  Itís elitist to an insane degree.  Itís psychopathic, no doubt whatsoever.  No empathy.  And so, sure enough, from all those aspects, whatever is in them, is not human. 


Jackie: Well, and maybe we talked about this on the air.  It wouldnít hurt repeating, but when, when we first of all, the sense of or feeling of compassion.  But when we are emotionless, the emotions are what makes us human maybe.  Without emotion, they have no energy.  And Iíve thought about this, and maybe it sounds left-field or la-la land or whatever.  Well, I said it a long time ago, but I really didnít feel it and see it, the way that I do today, that what drives the machine, what drives the plan is the energy that they can initiate.  In other words, anything negative, anything that isnít of love, and that would be, you know, compassion and kindness, and consideration, etc, etc.  But anything that isnít of that is, is fear.  But the negative.  Itís the negative energy.  And I believe that they use the negativity, the negative energy that they can initiate in people.  I believe that thatís whatís driving the whole plan, Alan. 


Alan: What it is, itís an alchemical process.  Thatís what they call it in the high esoteric circles. 


Jackie: Okay, well expand on that please. 


Alan: The earliest form of control was initiated through abuse and the outcome of abuse.  And so, horror, fear, worry, terror, can be exploited to a neurotic degree, until you have a Pavlovian system.  You change that which is natural into the unnatural system.  And thatís the alchemical process.  And thereís so many ways that they couch this, of bringing heaven to Earth, or the union of the Sun and the Moon, thatís the old Rosicrucian Union of the hermaphrodite too, as above, so below.  Itís even in the New Testament written carefully in there.


Jackie: Where it says male and female, may he them?


Alan: No.  Itís written in the New Testament.  Itís in there too, where they talk about, what you loose in heaven, you also loose on Earth and vice versa.  Thatís a spell, you know.  And these are all alchemical processes of loosening the higher powers into the earth or onto the earth, but controlled through the few, who understand the process.  This is what they used to call high magic at one time.


Jackie: Alchemical. A-L?


Alan: And of course, the bottom degrees of all these esoteric groups still maintain Ė of course, they donít know the truth, at the bottom.  They still maintain that itís a self-improvement thing, where you arise up Jacobís Ladder, to heaven, by self-improvement.  They donít realize that itís much bigger than that.  Itís literally a form of bringing the seething powers of Lucifer, if you understand what that means, and again, in the esoteric tradition, itís loosing that within society, through the chosen ones, the higher initiates. 


Jackie: The power of Lucifer, if you understand what that means.  Well, would you explain what you understand it to mean, please.


Alan: Well, Lucifer to them, is an intelligence, a great, phenomenal intelligence that manifests itself through logic and science, basically.  Logic, science, what used to be called magic was just advanced science.  And that only the wise ones with the higher capacity intellects could access it and be used by it successfully.  And so, of course thatís what they mean.  Thatís what Albert Pike said in his Morals and Dogma, when they loose the seething powers of Lucifer.


Jackie: What powers?


Alan: Seething.


Jackie: Seething?


Alan; Yeah, like a seething sea, you know.† And thatís what he means by that.  And even in Catholicism, youíll find that Satan and Lucifer were not one and the same entities.  They were two different entities or beings, because the whole story is the esoteric tradition of the occult.  The whole Old Testament is.  And unfortunately, so is the new. 


Jackie: So, when you said, Jehovah is Lucifer.   Youíre talking about the...


Alan: No, Jehovah, actually in the high esoteric is the God of the World, or the Demiurgos, which the Greeks called him.  In other words, although they respect the God of the World, and the natural laws, itís their job to overcome those laws through science.  And so, they always put, they always give great respect to Jehovah for having the natural laws for a primitive people by the way.  Thatís why itís written in there.  In the New Testament, you follow the laws of Moses, because you were base then.  You know, they meant primitive.  And I give you the New Covenant.  So, this is an ongoing tradition of esoteric religion, going back for many thousands of years.


Jackie: Thousands.  Maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.  Because you know what, I just wonder if this whole thing reaches to a certain point at a certain time, then it starts all over again. 


Alan: Well, they always talk about their thousand years of peace, until again.


Jackie: For seven years.  What does that, what would be the interpretation of that? 


Alan: It means that thereís a form of Utopia.  Now, when they talk about Utopia, remember, itís their Utopia, their plan theyíre talking about.  Itís a hell on earth for everyone else.


Jackie: Well, not really a hell on earth, because theyíre so zoned out, theyíre gone, Alan.


Alan: Well, from their point of view, remember thereís two ways of looking at everything they give you.  And so they see it from their point of view, where theyíll have their thousand years of peace. 


Jackie: Peace for them, yes.  But when you think about it, if it came to this point, those who are left here, who are under that spell.  Can you hear that storm?


Alan: Yeah, yeah.


Jackie: Part of that system.


Alan: Thatís Jehovah listening to you, you know. 


Jackie: Thatís Jehovah, he didnít like that.


Alan: Heís banging his feet on the sky there.


Jackie: Iím going to get smote, Alan.


Alan: Oh, youíll be smitten.


Jackie: Now I lost my train of thought.  Shoot.


Alan: But thatís what itís all about.  You see, the whole thing is an esoteric tradition.  Itís down through the ages.  The esoteric makes conformity for the elite to rule society. But they always carry their esoteric traditions through it.  But itís all written within there, if you understand it.


Jackie: Well, I understand.  Well, I know that you said that a jillion times.  Very few of us understand it.  So, itís really nice that you pick these parts and then help us understand what it means, symbolically to them, or esoterically.  Iím going back in our conversation here for a minute, where we were talking about, there will be people who just wonít be part of the system.† And that, they donít really care.  Theyíll just make it very difficult not to be.


Alan: Thatís what they do.


Jackie: Anita Hoge said that to me at one time.  She said, they donít care, Jackie if some people live in caves and have their children natural childbirth, which no medical, no dental, you know, just living like primitives again.  And think about Brave New World and think about Nineteen Eighty-Four.  In Nineteen Eighty-Four, there were the proles.† And, maybe you could explain, what the Proles were, because it was different than the other society in Brave New World.


Alan: Well, the Proles in Orwellís, were the Common people.  The people most spied upon in a controlled society are the enablers, the helpers of the top controllers.  In other words, all the bureaucrats.


Jackie: Because the Proles didnít have those televisions.


Alan: Well, they were also pretty well uneducated too.  They were entertained, no doubt, etc. 


Jackie: Do you know what blew me away about when I was reading about the Proles?  These ladies they think, out in the backyard, hanging up their clothes.† I hang my clothes up.


Alan: Yeah, and whatís interesting tooÖ


Jackie: Listen.  They were talking about how to pick the winning lottery number.  And I thought, oh my God, this book was written in 1948.  And they had this lottery planned for us.


Alan: And you know why they had it planned.  You see, the poor man, he watches all the fame and fortune going on in the movie industry and all this kind of stuff, of what he thinks are self-made people, and thinks thatís what it is, the Great Delusion, because no one gets up there into the big boysí league, unless they bring you up.  So, they give you the lotto.  Now, you know why they call it the lotto?


Jackie: No, say.


Alan: Well, because the Pope, who gave the Knights Templar their Charter, was called Lotha, in the Germanic French version, they call him Lotho.  His real name was Lothario.  And the name for the lotto in Ontario is called Lottario.  Just coincidence, of course.† And, of course, Ontario, on the postal code, is ONT, which is Order of New Templars. 


Jackie: Okay, but going back to Lotto, okay, you said that the Pope handed out what to the Knights Templars?


Alan: The charter.


Jackie: Okay, but wasnít there some kind of a selective system.  It seems to me I read about this somewhere, or maybe you were talking about it.  Because, the Lotto today is a game of chance.


Alan: It is.  And of course, itís a scam, as everyone should know.


Jackie: And how does that relate to his name?  Thatís what Iím wanting to know.


Alan: Gambling.  Again, it goes back to the scam.  It means, it literally means a scam.  And the Knights Templars became the biggest bankers of Europe at the time, remember, and a good part of the Middle East too.  They became, in fact, they were the first real bankers, international bankers, who brought in a checking society.  You could use checks with them.  And they would give you notes instead of the gold.  And you could cash them in in one of their banks in the Middle East.


Jackie: They carried paper around in their pockets that signified their wealth, yes?


Alan: Thatís right.  And of course, they were the only ones who could charge interest, as well, so they really were the start of the modern banking industry.  And they didnít have to pay taxes as well, thatís another thing.


Jackie: Well, what about the money changers in the temple?  I thought that was the world bank at the time?


Alan: Oh, they were left to take the heat. They were left to take the heat, while the Knights Templars gobbled up the Lionís share, and when you look at the old maps of Europe, youíd be surprised at how much land they owned all over Europe.  They were, if they hadnít been stopped, they would have ended up owning Europe.


Jackie: And who stopped them?


Alan: Well, it was a King Phillip in France that started, he invited them up there, supposedly on the pretense for a loan, and the Grand Master Mollee came up with a bunch of them, and he imprisoned them.


Jackie: And didnít he put out an edict that they were, they had to disband them?


Alan: Well, the pope eventually did put out an edict, because, when they found out, this was, this strange Christian Knighthood, remember, they were also a priesthood, first and foremost, and they were knights second.  Thatís more important, really.  And what came out, and had been coming out for a long time, was the strange practices.  And they were also connected with the Old Man of the Mountain, that was the head of the Hassassins, or Hashashins, they called them, of the Middle East, who had been running that branch of the occult for a long, long time.  Theyíd become brotherhoods together.


Jackie: Well, did you say that the Knights Templars were, oh, what is the word when they, like the nuns and the priests?


Alan: Oh, celibate you mean?


Jackie: Celibate.  Did you say that they were celibate?


Alan: No, they didnít.  They were sworn to relieve each otherís sexual tensions.


Jackie: And thatís where the term dog priest came in?


Alan: Oh, long before that.  They used the dog priests even in ancient Israel.  You can see that on their temple walls, where you turn right for the female house of prostitution and left for the male one.  And they say the same in Greece too.  They all had the same religion in ancient times, thatís the big kicker. 


Jackie: And today.  My, my, Alan, whatís new?


Alan: Well, I know.


Jackie: The more things change, the more they stay the same.


Alan: Well, they change through the Knights Templar.


Jackie: Weíre almost out of our hour.  I heard the music, dog-gone it.


Alan: Dog on it, eh. 


Jackie: Yeah.  Dog on it.  Okay, well, that just was interesting tonight.† I donít know.  So, the storm is over.


Alan: The storm is over.  At least you wonít be electrocuted on the phone.


Jackie: Well, Iím on my headset.  I donít think Iím prone to electric shock on this thing.  I think you have to be on a landline, donít you.


Alan: I would think so. 


Jackie: Yeah, itís real interesting though that now that the broadcast is over the storm is over.


Alan: Well, thatís you see.  Itís all timed that way.


Jackie: Okay, Alan, well, you take care. 


Alan: And you too.


Jackie: Thank you for tonight.


Alan: Bye now.


Jackie: Bye.



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