October 4th, 2005
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru


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Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  Today is Tuesday and it is the 4th of October in the year 2005.  ...And tonight, we have a guest.  Alan Watt is with us.  I called Alan today.  I was thinking that probably tomorrow night would be our last, and we could not end this broadcast without having Alan Watt back one time, at least one time with us, because regardless of the some times that he and I had our differences.  We donít always agree on everything.  None of us ever do.  But there can be nothing that could diminish the information and the time and the love that Alan has given.  And because it is love.  It is done out of love.  His mission in his heart is to enlighten and awaken as many people as possible.  In every single broadcast weíve done, Alan has done it on his dime from Canada.  And truly, heís brought us out of the Dark Ages.  Heís brought us out of the forest, so that we get a chance to see the trees a little bit.  So, Iíve invited Alan to be here with us tonight.  And Alan, thanks for being here.


Alan: Yeah, itís a pleasure.† ...And I do have three books for sale, going through the history, including some of the ancient, ancient history of this system.  And I go through it in volumes 1, 2, and 3.  I tie it in with the money system, present and past, going back thousands of years.  And the agenda is all there basically.  And also, if anyone wants one or all of these books [see ordering information on transcript].


Jackie: ...Alan, so we have little time left to share whatever it is that you would like to share with our listeners.  Iíve got three days next week.  I have some thoughts in mind, that I would like to do.  But, this is, tonight is yours.


Alan: Well, I think really, for those that understand that thereís nothing new in this system, theyíre simply upgrading their system, thatís what we live in.  Itís their system. Itís not ours.  So thereís no real reason to suddenly panic.  Those things which weíre afraid of are generally change.  And what we donít realize, is, as I say, theyíre changing from that to which weíre familiar, which we think is our way of living.  But really, even that lifestyle was given to us as well.  Our routines were given to us.  Our training at school for certain jobs and so on.  Even marriage, pensions, retirement, everything.  That was all part of their old system, and weíre post-industrial now, so theyíre upgrading it to the next step.  When you realize this has been going on for thousands of years, step by step, including the wars and the reasons for the wars, and the money men behind it always, you know, then you realize nothing has really changed.  The techniques theyíre using are the same.  They have incredible sciences at work, because they never allow the general public to have up-to-date knowledge of what they really have at any time, you know.  And theyíre so far ahead of what youíd even imagine as science fiction, thatís how they maintain their power.  I have to laugh in a sense, when I watch the troops going into different countries, and sure enough, youíll always see a new style of rifle, or the latest model this, or whatever, or the latest stealth bomber.  And yet, all this stuff is obsolete, and it was obsolete before the second World War. 


Jackie: Like you were saying, earlier today, when we talked, theyíre carrying the guns and heavy, heavy bullets, and using gunpowder thatís been around forever. 


Alan: Yeah.  And so really, this is to make us believe, you see, that this is the latest, and thatís what they have, but all of that stuff is obsolete.  Itís us that must be kept in the dark, you see.  Itís one reality for the general population, another one for the CIA, and another one for the boys above them.  There are always three realities on the go at the same time.  Itís almost like three computer programs running independently, all fed the same data, but the second level is fed more and the third level is fed even more.  So, thatís how our reality is.  And we do know, we all know whatís coming down.  The changes are not hidden.


Jackie: We just donít know how theyíre going to pull it off, Alan.  For example, you know, 9/11.  And then, you know, they have geared us to expect another "terrorist attack" and then they, itís a "natural disaster".  And last, this past week, the Discovery Channel has been evidently playing, and they played it more than once, this is a three hour long thing called ĎSuper-Volcanoí.  And itís all about Yellowstone, and how itís about ready to blow.  Iíve been reading articles about this for quite a while, you know, from the internet.  But theyíve already said that if this happens, it will disrupt the economy of the entire world.  So, you know, Katrina, first 9/11, then Katrina and Rita, and now theyíre, now, see, theyíre evidently, this is a big thing to prepare people.  And then, maybe theyíll surprise everybody and have a terrorist attack, again.  See.  Because, thatís basically what people, and isnít it telling that they can get us into that mode, where weíre actually expecting.


Alan: Well, thatís what itís about.


Jackie: Because they said it, yeah, itís going to happen.  We donít know.


Alan: Weíre being trained.


Jackie: We donít know when or where, but we do know it is going to.  Itís only a matter of time, and itís going to be much worse than 9/11. 


Alan: Thatís right.  And so, see, theyíre the shepherds, and again, weíre the sheep.  And for the last century or so, weíve all been led into the same pasture everyday and we graze, and then they drive us back.  But now weíre getting driven into another pasture, you see.  So, weíre being trained to go into the next pasture.


Jackie: And we say the prayers.  The Lord is my Shepherd, he leadeth me into green pastures, he restoreth, my cup runneth over, your rod and your staff comforts me.  And, you know what, Alan, I was thinking of this a couple of days ago.  What in the world is the rod?  The staff, that you said is for the sheep, because theyíre so stupid, that if they get into a corner, they donít have sense enough to back out.  So, they use the crook there to pull them out.  What is the rod for?  Is it to whack them with?


Alan: Thatís right.  Thatís what law is based on.  If you ask any, anyone whoís into the law system, the legal system, and government too, all laws are put out there with intimidation.  Thatís how people obey.  Itís mainly through intimidation.  And for the few who wonít be intimidated, they will actually use force. 


Jackie: Yeah, so we say a prayer, and say thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 


Alan: Well, thatís for the abused victim, who loves their abuser.


Jackie: Yes.  And Iím glad.  Thank you for really bringing that into my mind, because we do have new listeners.  And sometimes itís something, certain things bear repeating.  This is not to in any way invalidate or denigrate Jesus.  But what they gave us, that he is the Shepherd.  They say that he, excuse me, Iím having trouble spitting this out, obviously.  He is quoted as talking about his lost sheep of Israel, and all that stuff, and I remember a long time ago, you said, I donít think he ever said that.† Because the sheep is the stupidest animal around. And he wouldnít have called people sheep.


Alan: Yeah, and itís only, I mean, sheep are domesticated animals.  Theyíre not free animals, theyíre domesticated.† Theyíre specially bred to be domesticated. 


Jackie: And sheered.


Alan: And thatís their function, is to supply their master with wool and meat.  Thatís it.  Thereís no other purpose for them.


Jackie: And then taking it back further, and of course, this is all stuff that youíve already shared with us, but these are things that we would of, I would have never thought about.  Not even knowing it, or not noticing it, the pictures of the ancient...


Alan: Pharaohs.


Jackie: The pharaohs with the staff in their hand, the crook.


Alan: Yeah, the crossed arms with, it looks like a little candy cane crook, because itís a symbolic crook.  Itís not the long one.  But thatís what it represents.  You know the kind you hang on Christmas trees?


Jackie: Oh, yes.  Oh, Iíve done that a lot. 


Alan:† That sort of.  So, he holds the short one in one hand, and his arms are crossed, because heís an illumined man, and the crossed arms mean the illumined man.  And he is the sun, in fact.  And in the other one, he has the club, basically.  And sure, thatís the whole idea.  You intimidate with threat of force, and if that doesnít work, you actually use force.  And nothing has changed in the system, since that time.


Jackie: So, we see that the religions have so indoctrinated us, that we actually thank our keepers for the abuse that we get, in a sense.  Weíre not praying to them, of course, but, I remember, Alan, you were talking about the word, repent.  Am I taking us on a track that you wanted to say something else?


Alan: No, carry on.  Iíve got a train just passing by, so itís hard to hear.


Jackie: Well, I remember you talking at one time about the word re-pent, and pent up, and how they used to pen them, and would you share that with our listeners, who didnít hear that explanation.


Alan: Could you speak up again?


Jackie: Yeah, when you were, this was a long time ago, when you were talking about the word, repent.  Is the train gone? 


Alan: Itís just gone now, okay.  The word was what?


Jackie: The word was repent.† And about pent up and how they pent them up.  Would you share that with our listeners that didnít hear?


Alan: Well, the ancients loved hunting, and the modern ones still do.  A lot of these big boys that we see behind the scenes, that appear, they love to go off to different countries and hunt.  And in ancient times, even in Greek times, theyíd often go along the coastline in boats, and they would get little peninsulas for instance, and theyíd come in, like a five-pointed star, and work their way inwards, and they used nets to catch the people, and net them, basically.† And those people became slaves.  But that was a form of sport.  And, of course, the pent is from the 5, number 5, the pent angle.  And thatís where it really comes from, you know.† So, when weíre repenting, weíre actually in a sense acquiescing to become slaves once more, you know.  Willing slaves.  But itís nothing new.  What amazed me, even looking at Sumer, and some of the major cities in Sumer were obviously bureaucratic, because they had no fields around them, so all the foodstuffs and so on came into them, but the frescoes on the walls were fascinating, because they showed you these young people, obviously very healthy and happy, and obviously nobility too, with hawks.  You know they have the hawks on the wrist?  And then youíd also see them on horseback, going after different animals and deer and so on. 


Jackie: Is a hawk the same thing as a falcon?


Alan: Yeah, itís a type of hawk for sport.  And they had falconers even in the Middle Ages.  The Normans brought that into England with them.  And up until the 1800s, 1900s, that was still a popular sport with the nobility.  So, you find the same MOs all down through history with the nobility that was there 5,000 BC, and of course, the Egyptian nobility were exactly the same.  And if you look into the merchant banker class who lived in the Aegean Islands, and the historians give them the name, the Minoans, they also had exactly the same frescoes painted on their walls, with the hunting scenes and the sports and the falcons, and so on.  So, then we see it, as I say, coming into Europe in the Middle Ages, with this Norman class, who took over, and still basically run the world yet, you know.  They were a knighted nobility.  And if you notice, even all your top United States famous people, like Kissinger and so on, Schwartzkopf, in fact, even the mayor of New York, after 9/11, they all went over to the Queen, and the Queen knighted them all.  So, this is very important to them to be knighted, in England, by the Queen.  Because, weíre dealing here with a religion that predates Christianity and most other religions, and it goes back to at least, at least 5000BC, that weíve dug up so far, and no doubt, thereís much, much more of it to go on beyond that.


So, if we go into the histories of other countries, like India, they go back into millions of years.  And they claim that this type of thing has been going on for millions of years.  And I wouldnít be surprised in the least, because the techniques of controlling the minds of whole countries are so perfect, and they always have been so perfect, that this was not a new science that they were picking up as they went along.  They knew it from at least Sumer onwards, how to take over countries, how to introduce this thing called money, how to get people to marry young, to be a working class, who would then produce their goods, because these bankers were also the merchant class, and they owned the ships and the trading routes.  So, they owned the whole system.  It was a materialistic system, based on money.  And once you have money, you can get a standing army.  Without money, you canít keep a standing army together.  Once you have it, you send it off into the rural areas, and you conquer the peoples.  And that is our history of the world.  And right now, in fact, the US is finishing off the last part, the last few countries, who havenít joined the World Bank and this system they call democracy, which has various definitions, if you look at it, you know.  Actually, the definition of democracy is pretty well the same as the definition of Communism.  By the Royal Institute of International Affairsí own words, going back to the 1920s, and even earlier, when Cecil Rhodes was on the go, and then Milner, Lord Milner took over from Cecil Rhodes to create a world empire.  He defined democracy for the Royal Institute of International Affairs.  The CFR is the American branch of it, of course.  And he said the definition of democracy is a world where the individual is subject to the majority.  In other words, individual free will is a negative thing, and itís unhealthy to the whole.


Jackie: But they refer to themselves as the majority, donít they?


Alan: Well, they themselves donít even classify themselves within that.  They see themselves as a separate race almost, you know.  We are just the people.


Jackie: Superhuman race.


Alan: Yes.


Jackie: We have to take a break here.  And Iím going to request, I talked to one of our listeners today, and she said that the beginning of the broadcast last night was very clear, and then in her area, it just totally disintegrated, so she couldnít hear a word.  And I would just request a couple of calls giving us a reception report, if you would.  Folks, weíll be back, right after this.


(Commercial Break)


Jackie: ...Okay, Alan.  I missed our spiritual message this evening.  And I had it laying right in front of me here.  And I would like to do that before we continue.  This is from Matthew 5, beginning at verse 14, Jesus said, "Ye are the light of the world.  A city thatís set on a hill cannot be hid, and neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick, and it gives light unto all that are in the house.  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your father, which is in Heaven."  Thanks, Alan.


Alan: Iíd like to add to that little definition of democracy that Milner put out for this group actually thatís running the world.  When they defined it, they said, every individual, because theyíll have certain rights, will also have a duty to serve the state.  To serve the state.† And thatís very, very important, because it puts the state, this entity, in another category, apart from the people.  And therefore the people do not create the state.  The state basically becomes your rulers.  And you serve them.  And thatís the definition that the current CFR branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs uses today.† And itís identical to the Communist definition. 


Jackie: So, when they say the State, it takes peopleís minds off people. 


Alan: It does.


Jackie: The state is an institution of some type, and forgetting that thereís a hidden hand that controls those who are in the State, doing the dirty work.


Caller: Okay, Hello.


Jackie: Hello?


Caller: Okay, I can hear you a little bit.  Yeah, I was going to say, you sound loud and clear, tonight.  Very, very clear.


Jackie: Thank you, Storm.  How about last night?


Caller: You know, a matter of fact, I just came in about ten minutes ago.  Now, as far as last night, I didnít get last night, because I was out.


Jackie: Okay, okay, thanks, Storm.


Caller: I will tell you this, something strange, is that, Iíll say this quickly.  Early this morning, I was listening to Radio Netherlands.  And at the very beginning of the broadcast, when they were talking about Turkey from the Netherlands, they came in very crystal clear for the first minute, and then approximately about 7:02 in the morning, Eastern time, that must be 11:02 UTC, okay, there was like a big fade in of distortion and interference, not jamming, but like an interference, almost like you would think it was the atmosphere.  And all the sudden, about a half hour later around 11:30 or 11:27 UTC, that would be 7:27, UTC.


Jackie: Alright, hurry up, hurry up, Storm.


Caller: They started coming in again.  And itís the same type of similar thing that occasionally I hear on your show.  But not tonight, and not that much last week.


Jackie: Okay.  Thank you, Storm.  Thank you. 


Caller: Iím not sure whether that was the government or what.  Maybe they want to keep out something with Turkey.  I donít know what that was about but it did seem suspicious.


Jackie: Thanks, Storm.  Okay, bye-bye.


Caller: Okay.


Jackie: Alright, thank you, Storm.  I was curious about last night, Alan.


Alan: Itís clear up here, too. 


Jackie: Oh, thatís good, thatís real good.  Iím glad to hear that.


Alan: But theyíre using, of course, their technology, their jamming technologies and so on, because once they have the next big panic, FEMA will be using that, across the country.  We saw it used when they went into Yugoslavia, and Bosnia.  They flew aircraft.  It was on the television.  They flew special aircraft across the country that jammed every radio station, and television station, and they could also, from the aircraft, play their own propaganda programs directly into everyoneís television and radio.


Jackie: In other words, over-ride and interfere and intrude.  Well, I understand that during Vietnam, the technology existed also, because my friend Mel worked in communications.  And he said, they could clear a path.  They could wipe out communications in any direction they wanted, so that they could send their own signal.  That was Vietnam.


Alan: And so, especially, itís so easy to interfere with shortwave, because shortwave depends on the ionosphere, which in part bounces signals off the ionosphere, so they can actually really play havoc with shortwave.


(Phone Rings)


Jackie: Hi, youíre on the air.  Hello?  Youíre on the air.  Gosh.  Okay, nobody there.  Alright, folks, weíll forgo the phone calls, because thereís just something.  Weíll just forgo the phone calls and thank you.  I was just curious.  Maybe, I can talk to somebody who was listening last night, somebody else, somebody not in Indiana, and maybe let me know.  I was just curious.  And I did not mean to interrupt this broadcast so many times.  Today, when we were talking, Alan, as I mentioned to you, my thoughts are so much and so often on people, because on this broadcast weíve talked about how important it is, if you can, get the heck out of the doggone cities.  Etc.  And, I do know that there are people, now, who are in cities, who really want to leave cities, and they donít have the means to do it.  And, of course, the economy is getting worse by the hour, not by the day.  And so, therefore, my heart goes out to them, and mostly that they arenít living in fear, and they arenít living in some type of a box, if you would, feeling "doomed" or "hopeless" because they canít get out of the city.  Because, hell, rural cleansing is going on right now, under our noses.  I donít know how much time we have left, in the country.  I wondered about rural cleansing, and how are they going to move people out of the country.  Well, our energy costs are just going up, just horrendously.  I had to go on budget for my heating gas bill, last year.  And over the course of the year, it averaged out to $191.  Now, youíve got a good five or six months there, where that bill is around $40.  (Phone rings)  And, Hello, thank you, youíre on the air.


Caller: Yeah, hello.  Yeah, this is something that I wanted to ask Alan Watt, and then I was going to hang up.


Jackie: Okay, make it very short, Storm.


Caller: Okay, yes.  You asked about how people are going to like leave the country, or whatever.  I understand thereís like some kind of detention centers around the country.  What I was thinking is that, if they wanted to get people in these detention centers to pull off this global New World order...


Jackie: Theyíre doing it.


Caller: ...what they could do is have a nuclear blast where the radiation comes from the air.


Jackie: Storm, excuse me.  Iím sorry, Alan.  He wants to ask a question, but he just talks about what he thinks.  Actually, theyíre doing it right now.  All of those "evacuees," theyíre still living in those detention centers.


Alan: And theyíve done programs here in Canada.  Theyíve shown on television, a lot of, now, it could be to train us all, of course, which everything generally is.  But theyíve interviewed lots of them who say theyíll never go back there.  And of course, that was one of the objectives, was taking them out.  We also have no idea how many have been removed out of there, and I certainly do not believe the figures they tell us for the death rate.  I think it was far higher.


Jackie: Oh, of course.


Alan: And theyíre really playing it down. 


Jackie: Alan, how would they even know?


Alan: Oh, they would know.  Oh, theyíd know.  In a place like that, there were so many people, especially in the poor areas, who were on welfare. They have records for everything, not just locally; they have back-up systems, probably all the way to the Feds.  They know everyone, their numbers and so on, and who claims, who doesnít, and whoís not claiming now.  And believe you me, when FEMA moves people out, they donít just ask your first name.  They get everything from you.† So, they know how many theyíve moved out and how many have died.


Jackie: One of our listeners called me last night, and had run into a gal from New Orleans, and said that her home was totally safe.  There was a tiny bit, evidently, of wind damage, maybe some shingles or something.  And she was moved out of her house at gunpoint.  And she doesnít know when sheís going to be able to go back.  They evidently claimed that they were going to let people start coming back, and then of course, Rita came along.  Now, she still canít go back.  Sheís staying with friends in Pennsylvania.


Alan: Well, even Bush himself in one of his first speeches said, it will be a minimum of three years before itís habitable again.  And of course, Iím sure, just like the fire of London, Christopher Wren had the plans for the new, international London drawn up prior to 1666.  They love three sixes there.  And, luckily enough, along came the fire, and they could put his plans into motion.  So Iím sure they had the same plans drawn up for the new city of New Orleans, a much smaller city, because the United Nations has said most of it will remain as wetlands, and thatís been their spiel for the last few years.  Before it all happened, a good part of that city would be called wetlands.  The new city, Iím sure, will be a small one for the refinery guys, for the new refineries, which the taxpayers will build for Halliburton.


Jackie: And for the elite, only.


Alan: Yeah, and a few, you know, gambling casinos and things like that.


Jackie: Yeah, but I mean, for anybody whoís living there, I believe at least at this point, thatís their plan.  And there have been articles.  There was a Wall Street Journal article, I think it was, Old Line Families Plan the Rebuilding of New Orleans.  And theyíve said, itís not going to be black and thereís not going to be those suppressed people, either itís going to be white, or weíre out of here.  And they are already laying out their plans.  Donald Trump had....


Alan: Oh, Iím sure all this was, as I say, designed before that hurricane hit.


Jackie: Well, think about it.  This humongous building that Donald Trump is supposed to be building, that couldnít have happened.  They couldnít probably engineer and design a building like that in four weeks.


Alan: No, even the surveyors couldnít go over it in that time.


Jackie: Exactly.  And then the mayor there, what the heckís his name.  Heís saying that real estate is real hot right now, in New Orleans. [Call] Youíre on the air.


Caller: Yeah, but what about if the people have guns?


Jackie: Iím sorry about that.


Alan: But thatís the whole thing there.


Jackie: Well, theyíve taken the guns away from the people anyway.


Alan: They have been doing that down there.  They showed that on the television here. 


Jackie: Yes, they did.


Alan: They were going door to door.  But thatís standard.


Jackie: Did you know that there was a judge that put a hiatus or a stop, well at least ordered a stop on the confiscation of guns there?  Iíve only got one article on it.  It was a news article.  And I donít know if they listened to that judge or not.  Itís been, thereís not been a lot of news coming out of New Orleans lately. 


Alan: No.  Once FEMA took over, they did admit that all subsequent news coming out of there would be controlled by FEMA.  So, itís almost impossible to get any truth out at all, at least the whole truth.  So, thatís the whole thing, with FEMA, it is all about containment and control.  Thatís what it was set up to do.  So, this is the first big exercise in containing and removing on mass, Americans.  But it wonít be the last one.  Itís interesting too, that the Hurricane came in, and thereís a huge bridge going across the river there.  The Pontchartrain, which is the French for the Bridge of Katherine, you know.  And then, when you look where the hurricane came into Texas, you had, just south of Beaumont, you had SaRita, and I thought yeah, I guess we can always tell by the names they give them.


Jackie: Oh.  Katherine, Katrina, and Rita.  Please repeat that, Alan, right from the beginning.


Alan: The first hurricane, Katherine.


Jackie: Right, Katrina. 


Alan: Or they called it Katerina, same thing.  And it came in, and where it passed over was Pontchartrain, which in French means the Bridge of Katherine.  They love bridges too, of course.  But thatís the Bridge of Katherine.  And then, Rita came in just north of SaRita.


Jackie: Sarita?


Alan: SaRita, yeah.  Just south of Beaumont, Texas.  So, you knew it was going to hit Texas.† So, the next big one I think is to be called Stanley, and weíll have to scour the map to see what state that is in, because Iím sure thatís how theyíre doing it.  Ha, ha, ha.  They love to put it right in our faces.


Jackie: Oh, they do, donít they?


Alan: Iíll give you a good example.  Canada, because Canada is a member of the commonwealth, the British Commonwealth, it still has this strange system of having a Parliament, and a Governor General appointed by the Queen.  And they just appointed a new Governor General, and they gave her a Coat of Arms.  The Coat of Arms, by the way, goes all the way back to Charlemagne, it was copied after that in fact.  They swore her in, sheís the 27th Governor General, they swore her in on the 27th of September.  The number of days, right through the year, to the 27th of September was 270, and when they were swearing her in, the ceremony took 11 minutes, and they showed the clock outside the Parliament building, exactly at 11 minutes past 11.  Well, 27, 2 and 7 is 9.  And then you have the 11 after it.  Itís 911.  They just keep showing this in our face all the time, you know.  You couldnít make this stuff up, you know.  But they made a new Coat of Arms for her, and the lineage on the Coat of Arms depicts the line of Charlemagne.


Jackie: What is Charlemagne?


Alan: Itís the dynasty that supposedly came up through and eventually were appointed by the Catholic Church to force Christianity on the rest of Europe.  So, he was the first officially Catholic appointed military leader and king.  And, of course, the Knights Templars are heavily involved with Charlemagne and all this kind of stuff.  But, yeah, he forced Christianity on behalf of Rome on the countries of Germany and France and a few other ones, at the point of the sword.  And in behind him, came the money boys.  In fact, Charlemagne, who was officially crowned by the Pope as the first Vatican sponsored king, Charlemagne set up his first bank, in what later was called Switzerland.† And itís called the Bank of Zion.  And the River next to it is still called the River Sion. So the Priory de Sion, which is one of the high Templar groups, and still based in France, connected with Switzerland, and they move money around the world, thatís their job, and other stuff, goes back to Charlemagne.  But it was interesting to see them making a coat of arms with the two bears and the five-pointed starfish of Charlemagne for this new Governor General.  You know, plus all the mystic numbers they add into it.  They do this all the time.  Thereís a whole language involved, every day, and the people donít understand it, donít even realize itís going on.  But thatís how open they are.


Jackie: What do you know about this new Pope?


Alan: They havenít said too much about him.  He was in the German Army during World War Two.  Thereís different versions of what he did in the German army.  What youíll find with most modern Popes for sure, is that they have to have the right lineage to get in there.  Thatís the bottom line.


Jackie: Iíve received quite a few emails on this Pope, and Iíve put them in a file to read, and havenít read them.  But if Iím not mistaken, I read that he was a Jew and became a Catholic.


Alan: Itís possible.† Itís very possible.  I think it was in the 8th century, the first Khazar was appointed, a Jew, was Leo the Red.


Jackie: Oh, yeah, the Khazar.


Alan: And even Ron Calli in the 1950s, Pope Ron Calli, he was Jewish.† I mean, the Catholic Church is open to anybody that goes through the rituals, you know.  And, to be honest, you see, all the religions were created by the same group, long ago.  I donít care if itís Moslem or Christianity or Judaism, thatís your trinity all connected, you see.  They all have a common base somewhere, a common connections, but theyíve all been used for the same purpose, which is to exploit the people, make them subservient, and bring in a materialistic system based on money and conquering other countries with armies, up to the present phase, where theyíll eventually blend them all in, back into an updated version, so the three will become one.  Thatís the real mystic meaning of the Trinity, in High Freemasonry.


Jackie: You mean the three religions will become one.† Oh, it is, isnít it becoming that. 


Alan: And so thatís the key of making things change, by using the laws of nature, you must create opposites.  And so, opposing forces fight each other to create the Third Way, which is the outcome or the synthesis.  And without at least one opposing force, no change will happen.  So, if you have three opposing forces, all apparently fighting each other, but the boys at the top are all connected, itís the herd once again who are being trained into a new way of living.  And thatís your trinity, you know.  If you want to move sheep, you use two sheepdogs, especially.  One dog, running at the pack, will make them move one way.  However, if you donít want them to go in exactly that direction, you have another dog, just across the way, but when they both move diagonally towards those sheep, the sheep go in a straight line to where you want them to go.  Which is the sheep pen.  So, once again, you have a trinity formation.


Jackie: Repent. 


Alan: Repent, yeah.† So, every group whoís fought each other, down through the centuries, has been used for completely different outcomes than the one they envisage at the time.


Jackie: Yes, that they envisioned.


Alan: So, weíre dealing here with a very complex chess game, where the people donít even know that theyíre on the chessboard.  And they canít see the hands that are moving them.  But it really is a chess game, a very complex one.


Jackie: Okay, you know what.  You were telling me today, and I wasnít on the internet at all today.  But you were telling me that they have been holding meetings in Colorado, or excuse me, Texas, and itís a UN, and it has to do with water and septic systems.


Alan: Theyíre going...


Jackie: Alan, we just got our one-minute warning.† Alright.  Would you like to come back tomorrow night?


Alan: Sure, yeah.


Jackie: Well, you know, okay.  Weíll do that.  Iíve written this down.  I would like to pick that up, tomorrow night, and folks, we will be back with you tomorrow.  Thank you for being here.  And Alan, thank you for being here.


Alan: Itís a pleasure. 


Jackie: And ladies and gentlemen, my wish for you is peace and love, and I donít mean that in any way to be trite.  I mean it with all of my heart.  Weíll see you tomorrow night.  Good night.  Good night, Alan.


Alan: Good Night.


Alan's Materials Available for Purchase and Ordering Information:


"Cutting Through"
  Volumes 1, 2, 3


"Waiting for the Miracle....."
Also available in Spanish or Portuguese translation: "Esperando el Milagro....." (Español) & "Esperando um Milagre....." (Português)


Ancient Religions and History MP3 CDs:
Part 1 (1998) and Part 2 (1998-2000)


Blurbs and 'Cutting Through the Matrix' Shows on MP3 CDs (Up to 50 Hours per Disc)


"Reality Check Part 1"   &   "Reality Check Part 2 - Wisdom, Esoterica and ...TIME"