October 5th, 2005
Alan Watt on
"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru


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Jackie Patru: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty.  Sorry, once again, for that delay.  I kept dialing in and I wasnít getting a ring.  Nothing was happening. Itís just kind of ridiculous.  Thank you for being with us tonight.  This is Wednesday, and it would be the 5th, yes the 5th of October in the year 2005.  And for those of you who havenít been tuned in, I will just announce once again that as of next Wednesday, this broadcast will be going off the air.  And itís a necessity, folks, because we have not been able to bring the airtime bill down, and it keeps ever growing, and ultimately, as Iíve mentioned, this debt is mine.  And I am not in a financial position, actually, even to pay what this is.  So, I just cannot let it go on any longer.  And I want to thank each and every one of you who have supported this broadcast.  And as Iíve said, I know that youíve done as much as you can do.  And tonight, our guest, once again is Alan Watt.  And Alan, thanks for being here tonight. 


Alan Watt: Yeah, itís a pleasure.


Jackie: Our spiritual message, I want to share this.  We were talking last night, you were talking last night about the religions, and the religions of the world.  And I had talked about this somewhat on Monday night, although I have heard from several people who said that after I made the announcement that I was going off the air, they werenít able to pick it up for whatever reason.  Last night the reports were that the reception, shortwave reception was great.  But this is about religion, in a sense, itís about faith.  "Faith is a state of openness or trust.  To have faith is like when you trust yourself to the water.  You donít grab hold of the water, because if you do, youíll become stiff, youíll become tight, and youíll sink.  You have to relax.  And the attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging and holding on.  In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe becomes a person who has no faith at all.  Instead, theyíre holding tight.  But the attitude of faith is to let go, and become open to truth, whatever it might turn out to be."  That was written by Alan Watts.  W-A-T-T-S.  Itís titled the essential Alan Watts on faith.  And our guest tonight is Alan Watt, not to be confused with the author of this little statement.  Lots of Watts around, arenít there, Alan?


Alan: There are a few, yeah.


Jackie: There are a few.  I guess thatís quite a common Scottish name, is it?


Alan:  Itís not too common, not too common.


Jackie: Okay, well.  That is irrelevant.  And last night, we were having a conversation, and I said, darn it, I wish we were having this conversation on the air.  And you made a few notes of what you had been talking about, and I would like it if, I donít know where youíll begin with that, because our conversations do have a tendency to flow from one point to another.  And then we get into something that is so relevant, and that is what happened last night, in the course of the conversation.  Would you like to get started?


Alan: What exactly were we talking about?


Jackie: You said you were going to make notes, Alan.


Alan: Iíve got a whole pile of papers here. 


Jackie: Okay, well, we were talking about people who, okay, where this started actually, we were talking about archeology.  And I said, you know, that I had seen some, because we donít know when we get these reports that archaeologists have discovered this, and archaeologists have discovered that.  We donít even know if thatís true, because we find out that everything that weíve been told for the most part is a lie.  And I remembered somebody emailing me, and they were skulls, different really weird looking skulls, that were allegedly found dug up.  And I remembered this one, and you had seen it too, and I asked you what you thought about it, and you said that you thought it could have been an engineered, a genetically engineered, because of the size of the brain cavity in it, etc.  Remember that?  Well, thatís where it started.  And you were talking about how people are bred for their psychological traits.  And lacking certain emotions and certain, okay, can you pick that up?


Alan: Youíll find evidence that the breeding of people for specific functions was perfectly understood, just by reading Platoís Republic.  So, youíre going back 2,300-odd years.  And Plato of course, like all of the aristocracy of Greece, had been educated in Egypt.  Thatís where they all went.  And, so everything that he talked about in the Republic, came really from Egypt, which had already ruled the world for a few thousand years, the ancient world.  And he goes into the methods of selective breeding for specific purposes.


Jackie: And we want to remember, excuse me, I just want to reiterate this for our listeners, that there were pharaohs, or maybe, I donít know if all of the pharaohs, but they were white, not Egyptian, and some even had red hair.


Alan: Yeah, and theyíve found the wigs, of course, in the tombs, that they wore, the black wigs, made from the native peopleís hair.  And the males and the females of the aristocracy or nobility of Egypt and Sumer wore the black wigs.


Jackie: What do you think about Cleopatra?  Was she one of them?


Alan: Well, Cleopatra was actually Greek.  She came from the Ptolemy line, and of course Ptolemy was a General of Alexander, and he took over the reign of Egypt, and she was descended from the Ptolemies.  So, yeah she was definitely white and from that type of class.  But if you go back into this breeding program, Plato went through what theyíd done with animals, just like today, if you want a domesticated dog for hunting, you know what kind to look at, the types of breeds.  If you want one for a faithful pet, thereís a whole variety for that, so they all have specific traits.  And if you want a guard dog, you know what type to go for.  And itís done by literally selectively breeding personality types together for size, strength and temperament, and that particular psychological trait that youíre after.  And Plato went through that.  And he said, we can do exactly the same with people.  For the working class, he said, you donít want highly intelligent people, but you do want strength.  So you want them short, squat, if you like, muscular.  And he went through the methods of simply selecting a male and a female, and interbreeding them, and then, taking their children, and doing the same all over again, until you had the desired outcome.  He said, if you want tall ones for picking apples, you make them, you simply select the tall ones and keep interbreeding them.  But itís the same thing with psychological traits.  Thatís why they went to such incredible lengths for genealogies for rulers and kings and queens.  You want people who have psychopathic traits in so much that they cannot feel empathy for others.  So, that part of the brain which is developed in most people, it gives us our sociability, and our empathy for others.  You can actually breed that out of them by selective breeding.


Jackie: And yes, and that you said has to do with different areas of the brain. 


Alan: They knew in fact in Ancient Egypt what parts of the brain affected the types of emotion, the areas for taste, smell, and hearing and so on.  They had that all mapped out.  In fact, one of the pharaohs wrote one of the first medical books, and detailed all of this.  So, this is well understood that certain parts of the brain had to do with what we call gifts, like skills in mathematics and so on.  So, they could, by picking a male and a female who had similar qualities, either increase that ability, or if they wanted to get rid of a particular quality, like empathy, you wouldnít want a soft ruler.  You want someone whoís hard and cruel if need be.  So, you simply breed a male and a female of similar temperaments, and then the same thing with their offspring, and then the same thing again, until you have the desired type.  So, when they talk about keeping genealogies of nobility down through the ages, theyíre not just talking about who their fathers or mothers were.  Theyíre also keeping track of the qualities that they possessed. 


Jackie: To know who they wanted to breed with who.


Alan: For specific types of qualities.  And for nobilities of course, and kings and queens, youíll find that they have all the temperaments of ego, typically psychopathic.  They have tremendous ego, so they love to be praised.  They love to have battles and so on, and come out on top.  But theyíre never very smart.  Theyíre not what you would call terribly intelligent.  So they in turn could be manipulated by the priesthoods that do all the selection, you see.  And thatís why kings and queens have all the advisors around them.  Theyíre supplied with the advisors just like today.  Itís no different today.  The advisors to presidents and prime ministers are not elected by any public.  Weíre never told where theyíre trained.  And yet we know that theyíre all trained in the same global tactics, because they all know each other.  They all push presidents and prime ministers to go along with the same agenda.  So, someone appoints these particular people, and theyíre trained somewhere, but we are told very little about them or their background.  But theyíre far more intelligent than the people that they advise. 


Jackie: And they in turn are taking their directions from someone above them, yes? 


Alan: Yes.  In very high Freemasonry, way above your 33rd, they call these advisors the Grey Men.  And the Grey Men, that pertains to the ones who are in touch with those of the Earth, the chess board, the black and the white strips or squares.  So, they come to the world, the earthly world, and thatís the black, basically, but they also go to the light, the one that directs the whole thing.  So theyíre in between presidents and the real controllers.  So, theyíre called Grey Men.  Kissinger and the Brzezinskis and these guys, these are the Grey Men.  They know a lot more than presidents do.  And theyíre far more intelligent too.


Jackie: Getting back to those skulls, and then weíll come back to this.  Some of them were very weird.  And see, so when I looked at them, it was fascinating, intriguing, but I also knew that I didnít know if these actually were skulls that were dug up, or if somebody molded them out of clay.  Itís hard to tell.  But the one, explain the one that you saw and what you thought about it.


Alan: Well, youíll actually see, there was a big debate, some years ago, on the paintings and architecture of Akhenaten, whoís a big player in high Masonry.  They model the Moses story after Akhenaten, who brought in the one-God worship into Egypt.  And I donít believe he did, because he was way too young. He was only 15 when it happened.  But in the paintings in the tombs and also in the frescoes theyíve found, his skull in the painting, and his wife, they have elongated skulls at the back, so the back of the head is elongated, and the childrenís are too.  And of course then the archaeologists stepped in and said, well that was just a change from one art style to the next.  But they did unearth a lot of the skulls of Akhenatenís family, and sure enough, they have these strange elongated, theyíre real skulls.  Theyíve found so many of them in that particular lineage.


Jackie: Okay, well, the ones that I saw, you know, there wasnít any, like this is from Akhenatenís line or anything.  But what does this indicate if thereís an elongated skull and itís towards the back did you say, or towards the front?


Alan: Yeah, itís high.  The head is high.  And the occipital lobe at the back is longer as well.† So the whole cortex, really, in other words, thereís more brain cells there.  Thereís no doubt about it.  And also, if you look closely at the skull, youíll see that theyíre more roundish towards the front.  So itís presumed that they were all given birth by Cesarean section.  When you go through the birth canal, for instance, you know that the lobes, the parietal lobes slide over each other in the babyís skull.  And itís always been debated how much damage that does.  And so, a lot of the nobility, not just recent, but in ancient times...


Jackie: Unless a woman is, excuse me, Iím sorry, these thoughts come and I just spurt them out.  If women are basically built for childbearing, but there are some women who are narrower hipped and narrower pelvis, where I would think that that would be the case.  But would the woman who was really built for childbearing, there wouldnít be that kind of damage, would there?


Alan: There would still be some, because that still would have to, they still slide, basically.


Jackie: What is it that slides, Alan?


Alan: Well literally, the skull has two plates you might say, two main plates that will slide over each other.


Jackie: Thatís where that soft spot is at the top on a baby.


Alan: The fontanel, yeah.  Anyway, getting back to this, these guys knew this back in ancient Egypt.  And the strange thing was, when you look at the ones theyíve unearthed in the Aztec lineage, the nobility and kings and queens, theyíre the same.  Theyíve got these same strange elongated skulls, which are also thicker than a normal human skull at the back, because again there was another debate in medicine, well, was this due to hydrocephalus, which can actually build up spinal fluid.  But no, because you wouldnít get a thickening of the skull.  These skulls both in the Aztec rulership and in the Egyptian rulership, were both thicker at the back.  So, itís a strange trait, which could certainly have been done through intense interbreeding for those very abilities that those people actually possessed.


Jackie: I recall, this was, I think, during our first, very first broadcast for that five-week period in í98, and Iíve relistened to the tapes, a couple of times now, but the second time around was extremely fascinating, because quite a bit of time had gone between.  But I remember you talking about Akhenaten, and you said that he had basically over-ridden in a sense the priesthood, and he had brought in the one god, worship of one god, and that he was a very humble person.  In other words, he didnít have himself painted or sculpted as a big broad-shouldered, but he had kind of a, you know, squat body and pot belly and...


Alan: Big hips too.  In fact, he had bigger hips than his wife.


Jackie: Wow.  And you said that soon after he died, all of the temples that he had erected for the one God were destroyed and they went right back to the multiple god worship.


Alan: Yeah.  It was a strange time period.  As I say, he had to have been coached as to what to do, even with the theology to go along with this one-god worship.  And the god, of course, was the sun.  It was the sun he was talking about.  And actually, the sun is a symbol of the light bringer or Lucifer.  We have to remember that too.  In all mystic religions itís always the same.  And he had, youíll see pictures of Akhenaten and his wife, and from the sun comes these lines like almost like the lines cast from a ship.  And at the end of it, you have the Ankh.  And thatís what an Ankh is.  Thatís where we get the word anchor from.  And the old Egyptian anchor was Ankh shaped, you see.  It didnít have the hook at the end, as it did in later times.  So, that was the symbol of being anchored to the light bringer.  And, but it wasnít for everyone.  It was only for a special class of people. 


Jackie: Alan, has there ever been a time in the history of this world that youíre aware of, where people actually didnít have a god that had, you know, human personalities and etc, or the sun.  Iíve wondered to myself sometimes, did they worship the sun as representative of the one creator, given that the sun gives physical life on this earth. 


Alan: Yeah.  That was one way of looking.  See, long before there were rulerships as we know them, you know, people lived in small communities, and everything had a magic to it, a natural magic, simply meaning a nature of life which they could not understand, but it was wonderful to observe.  Thatís what it meant.  And so, they didnít build up any theology about it, or dogma.  But along came the priesthoods, who subverted all of this.  And eventually, they had them trained in Egypt, and the Mayans did it too, and the Aztecs, that if this priesthood didnít get up in the morning, and have enough gifts and money presented, then they wouldnít perform the ceremony that would make the sun rise, you see.  So the natural awe that people held for nature in general, for life itself, was subverted and taken over by very intelligent psychopathic types. 


Jackie: The priesthood.


Alan: Who then used it against the people, and built up dogma and rules and regulations.


Jackie: And created nations.


Alan: Thatís right.† And made the people, turned the people into slaves.


Jackie: And turned the people into slaves and turned the people into warriors to protect the nationís borders.


Alan: Thatís right.


Jackie: Now, you know when you first said that, those are concepts that, because, I donít know that it occurred to very many of us, how did nations come about, and I didnít necessarily buy into it.  But it was an interesting thought, especially, when you, you know, explained the meaning of the word, international.  It means inter, to bury, the nations.  And yet, they in the writings of the elite, those who call themselves Jews, they say, that they were the ones that created the nations.  And, of course, they werenít the ones, but somebody asked me after that broadcast, and you were talking about what it was like before the priesthood was in control, or in areas where they got control.  And that that was the most natural way of living.  And somebody emailed me and said, is he insinuating that we all need to go back to the cave days?  I said, maybe so.  Maybe so, maybe not cave days, but...


Alan: Well, hereís a paradox.  Hereís a paradox for everybody, and itís the meaning of.  See, the Bible, in the Old Testament, is allegory, is Masonic allegory.  And everything, every story in it is an allegory for something else.  Which is well understood by those near the top.  And so Eden represents nature in its pure state.  And if youíre not content with nature in its pure state, and you leave nature, and you put your faith in science, you see, because once you leave the place where everything is there that you need, and you become dependent on specialists, whether itís a blacksmith or whatever, then thereís only one path from Eden, and it leads eventually to where weíre going in the future, actually now.  It leads to the extinction of the human will, the human mind, and independent thinking. 


Jackie: And in the villages, where there were clans and etc, they had toolmakers, people who seemed to be more gifted in that area.  They had their healers, people who knew the herbs to use for medicine and etc.  And their "holy men" or women, and these were women who took a lot of time alone for contemplation and not to coin a phrase, but spiritual enlightenment, so to speak.  And so, it was all there, within the village.  And each person had different talents.  And it was all shared.


Alan: Yeah, yeah.  Because the strength of the tribe depended on everyone being involved.  No one went hungry, for instance.  And they didnít have the moneyed work ethic, a different type of work ethic, where the individual who accumulates has the right to dominate the rest.  That didnít exist.  And in fact, up until the 1700s, in the highlands of Scotland, youíll find that iron nails were still exchanged as a form of money.  It was more important to them to have something that was useful.  But of course, they had the rebellion then, and that was all arranged, because they had to destroy that old system.  And they did.  They cleared the highlands.


Jackie: The rebellion being a revolution.


Alan: Well, they sent over Prince Charles, who, he was over in France at the time.  And they sent him over, and he led a revolution which failed.  I think it was intended to fail.  And everybody, no one knew, except him, Iím sure.  And then, they used that as an excuse to clear the highlands, even though only a few clans took part. 


Jackie: Would you hold that thought?† Weíre at the half hour.  Weíre going to take a break here.


(Commercial Break)


Jackie: Okay, weíre back with Alan Watt, folks.  You were mentioning the uprising in Scotland.


Alan: It was a handful of clans followed the Bonnie Prince Charlie, as they called him, Charles Stewart.  And I lived in a place called Culloden for a while, where that last battle took place, and he led them there.  He went off a couple of miles away, into a Culloden house, for the night, and left them on this bog, it was an actual bog, and they got up in the morning early because of the British army, and it was British, because there were Scottish regiments, southern Scottish regiments there too.  So they were all arrayed with their cannon and firing away for about five hours before Charles gave the order to charge.  And it turned out that Charles had scampered.  He hadnít even arrived on the battlefield, and he escaped back to France and then to Italy.  So, they were left as a sacrifice.  Interestingly enough, thereís a story involved with this, that tells you how the future is planned.  It truly is planned.  Because there was, in Scotland, you have these seers they call them.  And one of them was called the Brahan Seer, who could see into the future.† And the Brahan Seer lived in the 1500s.  And I read the original book in a library, from the 1500s, and he did say that when he was passing what became Culloden, it was called Drumossie at that time, Drumossie Moor, he said, woe, for Drumossie Moor will be the death of the flower of Scotland, as he called it.  And flower of Scotland is the young men.  Thatís what that means.  And just before the battle, about a year before the battle, it was officially changed on the maps, that Drumossie Moor to Culloden, which is the culling of Odin, you see.  Because the old clans still had Odin as their deity. 


Jackie: The culling of Odin.† Now, how long before this happened was this written that this Seer said this?


Alan: About 200-odd years.  So, thatís how things are planned. Weíre taught and trained and indoctrinated to believe that life, we just bumble along and politicians stumble through crises that they canít foresee, and nothing can be further from the truth.  Because, when you go into history, youíll find very elite sects of people writing about the future, because they belonged to organizations which planned the future.  And of course, youíll find the whole globalization effort with all of what we now think of as the UN agendas, interfering with all phases of our life.  Youíll find Cecil Rhodes and his Secret Society, and then followed up by Lord Milner, who then ran it with the Round Tables.  They wrote about it, and Carroll Quigley documented most of it in his two main books, Tragedy and Hope, and he wrote another one, it was called The Anglo-American Establishment, where he gives you the names of the big players, the big families that are involved in this, and where they thought they could bring us.  If you go into the writings of Lenin in the early 1900s, he said towards the end of the millennium we shall see a global society come into view.  Lord Bertrand Russell said the same thing around 1920.  So, these guys knew exactly the time lines that they were working on with five, ten, twenty, fifty, one-hundred year plans.  And if you look into the United Nations today, theyíre still working on those same types of schedules, with fifty and a hundred-year plans.


Jackie: I was doing some searching today on the internet, seeing if I could come up with that meeting that you were talking about, meetings that they had been having, UN environmental meetings in Texas, relating to water and septic and etc.  And border region 20, is now called border 2012.  Or border region 21, I guess it was.  Whatever, itís now 2012. 


Alan: And right now, theyíre having an Earth Summit in Alaska.  And we know what happened from the last Earth Summit, it was a tremendous impact, on all our way of living with the environment and so on.† So these things are ongoing, continuous, and actually, theyíre speeding them up.  But, as I say, Lord Milner and Cecil Rhodes and Lord Rothschild, and all these guys who helped set up the secret society that they formed.  Again, it was a high Masonic society, with passwords and so on.  They wrote about whatís happened in our lifetimes.  They helped bring on World War II, and Carroll Quigley documents that very, very well, from the records of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, which the Cecil Rhodes and Milner group set up.  And the American branch is called the CFR.


Jackie: And you can go back a hundred years to the protocols and it is so eerie what they said a hundred years ago, and how they were going to do what they were going to do, and how it has been done, even to the point of saying, weíre going to give the President the authority to declare war.  Well, heís never been given the authority other than by those advisors, who say, yes, you should do this, and yes you can do it.  But that is happening today.


Alan: Well, even the New American Century document that was published in the í90s and drawn up by Wolfowitz and Cheney and that bunch, and that was a private organization at that time, they had the whole war, which countries they were going to invade, beginning with Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and then Iran and Syria.  So they had all the countries mapped out in advance.  And then they went and did it.  So, sure.  And then Brzezinskiís book came out, called The Grand Chessboard, in the late í90s.  And he said, we need something on the scale of a Pearl Harbor situation, to motivate the American public behind us for those countries we wish to go to war with.† And lo and behold, things always seem to happen in their favor. 


Jackie: Yes, and then there was Kissinger.  I watched and listened to this man, within a couple of hours of 9/11, and he said this is an attack just like Pearl Harbor, and we need to address it in the same way.


Alan: Yes.  And immediately too, Brzezinski was on television saying we should go to war with Iraq, you know.  And you know, most people today, theyíve done polls in Canada and the States, and they published them in the newspapers here, most people in the US think now, because of all the propaganda by the media, theyíve forgotten that Afghanistan was supposed to be the hiding place for the Al Qaeda, and theyíve come to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attack.  Even though Iíve got it on videotape during the inquiry where George Bush said, he says, No, I never said that we were attacking Iraq because Saddam had anything to do with blowing up the towers.  He said, I went into Iraq, he said, because the worldís a better place without him.  So, you know, but the public truly have been brainwashed by retrospective propaganda by the media to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible. 


Jackie: Well, I recall, maybe that was a process, because I can remember them saying, first of all it was Afghanistan, because thatís where Osama Bin Laden was hanging out.  And they had to go in there and find him and the terrorists.  And the next thing you know, Saddam Hussein was harboring terrorists.


Alan: Thatís right. 


Jackie: Now, Al Qaeda was not associated with Bin Laden, was he?


Alan: Well, the Al Qaeda was a term that the CIA gave them.  And of course, the CIA had formed and sponsored and funded and trained these groups, when Afghanistan was occupied by the Russians.  So they trained them and formed them to do what they did.


Jackie: Yes, Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset.


Alan: Thatís right.  And heís a member of the nobility of Saudi Arabia.


Jackie: And for any newer listeners, Osama Bin Ladenís family was very closely connected and in business with the Bushes. 


Alan: And they did documentaries on the CBC on that.  In fact, on the very day that the towers went down, Bush Sr was at a meeting with the Laden family.


Jackie: Yes.  And they were flown safely out of the States, I understand.


Alan: That was the only aircraft allowed to fly the following day.


Jackie: Yep.  And then Osama Bin Laden was the bad guy.


Alan; Thatís correct.  Itís just amazing how they play these tricks with us.


Jackie: Yes.  Iíd like to bring this up a little bit to closer to today, if we could.  Because something that Iíd like you to share, if you would, with our listeners, well, I had a call from Jerrie in Wisconsin, and she was very interested, when at the end of the broadcast last night, we were talking, just briefly about rural cleansing.  And the one thing, and I will say this once again, because I couldnít understand.  I didnít doubt that they intend to move people out of the country, into the cities.  And Iíll tell you what really clinched it for me, was that, in the Old Testament, after they took all the peopleís grain and made them pay for it, and then created a depression, and then they had no money, so they had to give away their flocks to the pharaoh, and finally they sold themselves and their children into slavery.  And it says right in there that Joseph gathered the people up from the country and took them into the cities.  And, anyway, I couldnít figure out how are they going to do this, you know, just say, okay, you canít live here anymore.  Well, now weíre experiencing rural cleansing.  Besides the rewilding, theyíre already getting their playgrounds ready, but here in the rural areas, first of all, we have rural electric, rural gas, and there are all these, oh, we canít make any money.  For example my heating bill is natural gas.  And Pennsylvania is natural gas rich.  In fact weíre a natural gas pocket where we live.  And yet, they keep taking these hikes, of course.  Last year, it got to the point where I had to go on the budget plan, and it was, it budgeted out to $191 a month throughout the year, when during the summertime my bill was running maybe $27 to $38 a month.  So, I got close to $400 in some months.  I received a notice from the gas company that according to my usage last year, the budget plan for my monthly will go up to $247 a month.  And when I called them, basically, I got the same story that I did the first time I called about this.  Oh, well, we canít make a profit, itís against the law.  Well, then why are the rates so high?  Well, itís our suppliers.  We get our gas from all over the country.  I said, what about Pennsylvania?  Why donít we get it here?  It must cost bukoo tons of money to pipe gas from states all over this country.  And I have to go to the Energy Commission, or something like that, in order to get answers to that.  But, so, our costs of electricity have risen.  We took a rate raise, she said, in September, and thereís going to be another one in December.  And the electricity has gone up.  And they are raising our property taxes every single year.  And of course thatís happening at a local level.  And it doesnít matter if people swarm these county commissioners, township supervisors, they do it.  They just absolutely do it.  And I still think that a damn good, excuse my vernacular, tarring and feathering, and I donít mean scalding somebody with hot tar.  But it seems like it has to stop some place.  But then you look at the prices of gasoline for the cars, and so, in the rural areas, Iíve heard people actually talking about maybe not being able to afford to keep their jobs because the gas that itís going to cost them to get to their jobs, theyíll wind up making nothing.  And I suddenly thought, itís rural cleansing.


Alan: All this was discussed in the Kyoto conference.  And they reiterated really whatís been said before by the UN many times, that they want to bring North America back to the energy consumption of the 1960s.  And thatís what theyíre doing.  This is all to do with the Kyoto.


Jackie: And I saw an article about bicycles and how many hundreds of thousands of people, there have been a few million, I guess, that are switching to bicycles.  I have an article here from the 1950s, a newspaper article or a report.  It could have been a report on a political agenda, that they intend to get the people out of their cars and driving, riding bicycles.  And here we are.


Alan: China is the model state for all of this, but what China or the main cities there donít get is lots of snow, you know.  And they wonít let us use spikes on our bicycle tires here, because it churns up the road, you see.  So, I guess weíll be skating to work, maybe, or skiing, maybe skiing to work.


Jackie: And we had a conversation, quite a few weeks ago.  One of our listeners here in Pennsylvania was telling you that in his county and itís actually a county right next to this one, it was a road, that was not really heavily traveled.  One accident occurred on that road about seven years ago, or one accident in seven years, and yet theyíve lined the highway for miles with guard rails.  And what you kind of figured out, you said, you know, because theyíre talking about these all-terrain vehicles or the SUVs.


Alan: Thatís right.  I used to wonder why on earth, the SUV, theyíre attacking so much.  Then you realize, when you look at the recent events in New Orleans and in Texas.


Jackie: Relocation, yes.


Alan: Everyone has to stay on the same highways.  They donít want people wandering off.  So, whatever is coming down the pike, they donít want people with the ability to drive off the road through the country, you know.


Jackie: Because the guard rails arenít on any particular slopes.


Alan: Thatís right.


Jackie: And how many miles did he say this guard rail went?


Alan: I donít know, but it was just the fact that it was done so quickly for no real reason.  Local governments donít spend money like that.  In fact, generally, when itís something thatís necessary, itís hard to get them to act at all, but this wasnít necessary, so thereís other reasons behind it.  And I think whatever is coming, theyíre going to want people staying on certain roads as they herd us all into where weíre supposed to go.


Jackie: Yeah.  Well, it occurs to me, we could have an "unnatural disaster" here in the area, where they say, okay, we have to get you out of here for your own safety.  And it does make sense that those SUVs would easily be able to drive off a country road, through a field, even through light woods if theyíve got trails, and they donít have to stay with the pack, with the herd. 


Alan: Thatís right.  And you know, in New Orleans, I donít know if the public are still aware, they still have road checks all over the place.  Every so many miles, you come up to roadblocks.  And you show your ID and all the rest of it.  Thatís still going on, right now. 


Jackie: I told you, I mentioned last night, about the lady that was here with friends.  Not here at my place, but in Pennsylvania, and she tried to go back, if I recall, and she was turned away.  And she doesnít know when she can go back.  And her home wasnít even flooded, but she was ousted at gunpoint, and I really would love to know what is happening in New Orleans, or in that area.  Iím not asking for calls this evening, but listeners who might have, because, Alan, itís been quiet.


Alan: I know.  Itís like they dropped it all together.


Jackie: I know, but usually on the internet, there are reports from people, you know, people who lived in the area or etc.  And I still get a slew of emails, and those I pull up when they come in.  Those are the ones that I want to take a look at.  And itís just been so quiet, that you just donít know whatís been going on there. 


Alan: No, I know.  So, itís a huge training exercise for sure, for the military and the police and the multi-jurisdictional task force.  Theyíre all one now.  One fraternity they were called on the main media here.  One brotherhood is another term they used on the CBC.


Jackie: The brotherhood of police?


Alan: Police and military.  International brotherhood of police and military.  That was said.


Jackie: They have had for a long time, and this is so amazing, when you think how slick they are.  They have the, letís say a county association of police.  Police chiefs.  Theyíll have then the state.  Then theyíll have the national association.  And the international association.  And they have the international association of mayors.


Alan: And they all are international, which means theyíre registered with the United Nations.  And they have their own publications that are sent around to the police chiefs all over the world.  And they promote the agenda.  And if they promote the agenda they know that they not only stay in their job, theyíll get well rewarded for it.


Jackie: Well, you know, I read a book, and it was a very intriguing book.  Itís been a few years ago.  And it followed this one particular police chief and he went from one state, Alan, to another.  He kept showing up in other states.  Very corrupt.  Very evil.  And he would leave after things would get so hot, and then the next thing you know, heís a police chief in another state someplace.


Alan: Iíd like to say though, I tuned in one Sunday, through the shortwave, I was scanning the shortwave, and the FM stations in New Orleans have got together because of the damage, so theyíve got together as an amalgam, a temporary amalgamation, and theyíre broadcasting on shortwave at certain times during the day on 15.825.  And the last one that I listened into, it was the reporters and the media, from those stations, getting an update from the FEMA representatives there.  So, you get it live as it happens on 15.825.


Jackie: And itís various times throughout the day?


Alan: Yeah, the rest of the time, itís religion, but then it comes in, and it will tell you.  Itís called WWL, thatís one of the FM stations.  URBC is the other one.  And thereís another one.  Thereís three of them together, in fact, but theyíre broadcasting on the shortwave, and thatís where you get the news from, straight from there.


Jackie: Yeah, but do you think itís actual real stuff youíre getting?


Alan: Thatís what the people in that area are receiving themselves on their FM stations.  Theyíre simultaneously broadcasting it on the shortwave.


Jackie: But why would we think that theyíre getting the truth, Alan?


Alan: Well, I know.  I know.  In fact, thatís what they did show you, it was a question-answer thing.  So you heard the answers that FEMA were giving to the press.  And itís up to the individual to suss it out, sort of thing.  But itís a huge exercise with FEMA totally in control.


Jackie: Alright. ...And Alan, weíre just about out of time.  We do have next week coming up.  Iím going to be talking to Darren Weeks, our webmaster, and I would like to invite Darren to come on with us, next week, for one or two days.  But Iím thinking, it would be appropriate, as much time as youíve given, and as much enlightenment that youíve brought to us, to invite you to come on Wednesday night, which would be our last broadcast night.  If you would like to do that.  ...Okay.  Folks, weíll be back with you, Monday.  And thank you for being here, and Alan, thank you for being here. 


Alan: Itís a pleasure.


Jackie: Good night.  Good night, folks.  And God bless you.


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