May 15, 2014 (#1436)

Originally Broadcast May 15, 2014 on


Neil:  Welcome to Reality Bytes Radio on the 15th of May 2014.  Iíve been away for a couple of weeks on the Monday show particularly just because Iíve been a bit busy with other stuff but we are back on track again with Alan Watt for his regular monthly slot.  Are you there Alan?   

Alan:  Yeah, Iím here.

Neil:  I sent Alan an email about a little book I picked up a couple of weeks ago when I was down visiting my parents in Devin.  But I tell you if anybody is looking for second-hand books, Devin is the place.  There are certainly some nice little shops there and you can pick up some real bargains.  I think we got twenty books for eighteen quids.  They are all of this kind of ilk, 1940ís and you know stuff like that.  So yeah, itís well worth going down there. 

But this little book I picked up is called "Above all Nations" and itís basically a compilation of some of the actual letters that soldiers have sent home to their families and stuff from prisoner of war camps, from hospitals.  There are some articles from the Times, the Express, all the mainstream media at the time in the UK from all fronts in the war, from the Japanese, the Pacific fronts, from Germany, from Italy, North Africa, all over the place. 

But this is just a little one here just to kind of give people a sense of what itís about and:

"The Firby..."

Neil:   Which is a ship.  

"...(4,869 tons), owned by the Ropner Shipping Company, Limited, was sunk in the Atlantic.  The master Captain Prince has informed the owners that he and the crew of 40 all got away and had landed safely.  Four, however, had been injured by shells.  The chief officer Mr. James Woodruff, stated that the crew, after taking to the boats, pulled alongside the German submarine, the commander of which was most considerate.  Members of his crew handed nine loaves of black bread to the sunken shipís crew and three rolls of bandages for the injured men.  Before they moved away the commander sent an S.O.S. to Mr. Churchill at the Admiralty giving the position where the sinking had occurred.  After 13 hours in a heavy sea the men were rescued by a destroyer."

Neil:  There are many other stories like this about airmen from both sides having shot each other down and remained over the site of the battle as it were to allow ships and other aircraft to locate their missing airmen in the sea at great risk to their lives obviously because some of them had actually run out of fuel and stuff when they had to ditch themselves. 

But it struck me that this would never ever happen today, in todayís kind of modern warfare where people very rarely even see their enemy, never mind you know strike up a conversation with them or indeed taken prisoner for that matter.  And we are about 75 years away from the start of the Second World War more or less, and there is a bit of an argument about the exact day it started but we are more or less there. 

And you know I wanted to ask you Alan, what has happened in 75 years?  Because I just canít imagine this happening now.  I canít even imagine these kinds of letters or articles even appearing in the media because a lot has changed obviously not just in the psyche of the people themselves but in the whole of society whereby as I say I canít imagine articles like this or even acts of bravery or compassion like this ever happening in the entire war in modern times. 

Alan:  It wouldnít happen because it was no mistake in fact, this is only one little part of it, there is a whole bunch of different areas of this, but this one part was that even during the American Civil War they found that only about 15% of the soldiers who were dead on battlefields actually had fired their muskets.  And from this the U.S. began studies to find out why.  And of course what they found out is itís not natural for folk to kill people they donít know for no real reason, if itís not an act of the moment in passion or something like that or hate or something.  And therefore very few folk will actually go ahead and do it. 

They carried these studies on until World War II and found that a lot of the troops were firing over the heads of their targets on all sides.  And but before World War II they tried to up the ante a little bit by causing dehumanization with their propaganda in a fashion that would belittle the humanity or the human aspect of their enemy.  In other words dehumanize your enemy.  By World War II it was almost complete in some countries and certainly itís all gone today in fact because you have a whole generation raised on video games that were actually meant to desensitize military personnel so theyíd kill their target on sight which is what worked awfully, awfully well.  But going back to before World War II, youíll find quite often in World War I enemy pilots would land at the crash site, theyíd follow a plane down that they had shot down and theyíd land there and help the pilot out and take off again and things like that. 

So by World War II it was getting a bit more vicious of course because the propaganda was really being stepped up and in World War II Britain had already given lectures at Sandhurst.  I donít know if thatís in the book or not but Sandhurst was, they had top scientific personnel who had worked on the human psyche, behaviorists in other words.  And they came up with the concept in the 1930ís in Britain of "Total War", the next war would be total war where everybody was fair game, that was the people, the public, the factory workers, everything.  And thatís what brought on the bombing of Dresden, the fire bombing, etcetera, and the cities that produced things so that the general population were being targeted as fair game which again dehumanized the whole aspect of war because when the troops or airmen would find out that their pilots were being, if the people at home were being bombed that worked in factories and stores and housing schemes then theyíd hate the enemy even more and that helped to depersonalize them too.  So a lot of psychology, and big, big units were developed in psychological warfare on how to make the personnel themselves, the fighting personnel, more apt to actually kill every target that came along their sight, and today itís absolutely perfect.

We saw Fallujah, for instance, in Iraq.  And itís come out from many, many inquiries or trickled out eventually, that the free fire zones, or free kill zones, anybody who goes into that zone, it doesnít matter, is fair game.  If you shot them down it doesnít matter if it is a man, woman, or child, whatever, of the local people there, nothing can be done against you legally at all.  You have a free hand to kill whatever moves.  And of course in Fallujah the order was to go out and make it an example.  They were dragging out all the men that could be of military age, young guys who were fifteen, sixteen, and so on, anybody, and just shooting them.  Thatís what the U.S. troops were doing.  And thatís part of the reason theyíve got them on so many drugs now today too is so that their higher emotional thinking and so on is countered by the aspect of the drugs knocking it out.  They become blunted in affect they call it, and they kill everything that moves.  But once they are out of the military it comes back to haunt them because they still stay on about seven up to nine drugs each for the rest of their lives after because the memories of what they have done conflict with their natural, your natural instincts to get along with your fellow human beings.  To do that you must respect your human being. 

Now remember too in World War I, if you look at the old black and white clips of the World War I troops of all sides and you always see them getting prayers, etcetera, before they go into battle.  We know in World War I for instance, I think it was the Scots Greys and the German troops had a truce at Christmas time and it was an unofficial truce but they said whatís the point in killing during Christmas time and they went across into no manís land and they both shared drinks and exchanged little presents and things until it was actually the English guns that opened up and started shooting at them again.  I know that because my grandfather was one of them, he was there. 

And anyway that was the natural humanity to man.  Thatís how you are really when you realize that you are all the same basically.  You are all being ordered to go.  If you decide not to kill people you will get shot as a traitor you see so what choice do you have in the matter?  So they still try to bring the humanity in.  But by World War II as I say in Sandhurst, in England, they were teaching the aspect of total war where everybody, everybody who lives in that land is a complete target, man, woman, child, it doesnít matter, housing schemes, workers, it doesnít matter whatsoever.  And that was also taken to Germany in the 30ís by a colonel who became general, who taught the same stuff in the German side as well.  But it all began from Sandhurst.

Today with the massive propaganda, twenty-odd years of video games, kill your enemy, kill your enemy, and the perfection, the perfection through mainly entertainment by the way, of dehumanization of enemies that you grew up with is perfected.  The youngsters today just want to kill.  Weíve seen that with the leaked videos that came out when you saw the U.S. gunships mowing down journalists by mistake, laughing at it, and they are excited as though they were shooting pigs in a barrel which almost they were you might say.  So weíve lost our human aspect. 

But in World War I you saw them all praying before battles, in the Second World War there was a bit of that, that went on because they were throwing their old cultural values, that they all shared by the way, out the window and in this day and age itís an atheistic society where we accept mass abortion, we accept in fact that most folk who have any mental problems, possibly Down Syndrome, should be aborted.  Most folk accept that.  So if you do that you actually dehumanize your own life actually and everybody elseís life, and now we are going into euthanasia for the elderly and all the rest of it.  This was always the goal of the big boys who wrote about it in the early 1900ís all through and have achieved it pretty well.  We donít value life much at all today, except our own personal lives.

Neil:  Yeah.  Itís interesting what you were saying about the blitz in Dresden because there was actually a story in here about that as well.  And they did a survey in Britain, in Coventry I think it was, and possibly I think it was Birmingham maybe and they asked the people there who had been victims of bombing if theyíd like to you know perpetrate the same bombing on their ďGerman enemiesĒ.  And the people who had been bombed said no.  And they went to places that hadnít been bombed and they said oh yeah, definitely, you know letís go bomb them.† Because they had no experience of it themselves and didnít understand the horrors of it.  It had just been a flick to them. 

Alan:  And not only that, the story came out of course eventually after the war that Churchill, because they had the Venona Code they called it, they cracked the German code.  They knew that Germans were to bomb Coventry that night.  They knew for a few days in advance and they did not evacuate.  Rather than let the Germans then know that they obviously cracked the code, they allowed them to be sacrificed.  And as you know Venona Code is actually Novena, they took it from the old Jesuits coding and so they called it Venona.  But they had cracked the code and sacrificed Coventry.  So as you say the people themselves become fair game, including pawns in the game, to keep secrecy intact.

Neil:  Yep, and again you mentioned the propaganda.  I suppose back in the First World War, in particular, and in the Second World War, they didnít have the propagandist if you like.  They didnít have the benefit of television.  And a lot of these young lads would have gone off at what seventeen, eighteen years old, who wouldnít have seen that much propaganda so perhaps you know they maintained some of the humanity when they went off because they hadnít been indoctrinated so much as the soldiers nowadays, who as you say, I mean itís everywhere.  Itís television, itís video games, itís you know...

Alan:  Oh itís every, every movie you get today.  I can remember things were very, very symbolic and they come out for a reason in movies.  And big smash hits are definitely highly symbolic because we know that the Pentagon funds an awful lot of them, completely in fact.  And if you go back to the old "Star Wars" movie, and it was very, very telling because in Star Wars all of the main troops were all faceless guys.  They were dressed up in all this heavy armor, but there were no faces to them.  So it was completely depersonalized.  You are killing things you see.  And shortly after that out came the SWAT teams.  And they had television series on SWAT and all the rest of it.  And "NYPD Blue" and all these things to get you used to the idea of SWAT teams.  And then the heavy armor came in, and then the heavy armor with the troops in the black uniforms which always signifies death.  And this is always understood in the military psychological warfare, death, black scares people.  Itís authority, itís the hangmanís outfit you know the hood and the whole thing. 

And so now in all the movies you see these guys coming in with facemasks on and black armor, covered in armor, looking very formidable.  And these guys are really the Star Wars characters you are seeing there.  They themselves are depersonalized but they are on the winning team because every one of these movies they put out with SWAT teams and all the different alphabet soup agencies that they have are all dressed the same.  They even have ones for the environment here in the U.S. now by the way.  They have their own big huge trucks and all the rest of it, and they are armed.

All of these agencies always win.  They are the guys that win.  So youngsters are growing up in an atheistic society where their old cultural values have gone, the things that gave you a common shared morality have all gone.  Their morality now is winners and losers with the video games.  And they want to become one of the winners.  And the winners always either have a badge or they wear that black outfit covered in armor with the big gun and they come in swarms.  They are never individuals.  Itís not a one on one fight, you are with a swarm and there is safety in the swarm.  And you are on the winning side, you always win.  You come in with what they call an army, and the SWAT teams now, overwhelming force. 

And so the message to the public watching that is, or youngsters especially, oh they are the winning team, they canít lose.  And the guy that they are after, the civilian, doesnít have a chance in hell, which he doesnít.  Thatís the overwhelming message.  This is all deliberate, and itís repetitive, repetitive through all these fictional things that you watch whether itís a drama series or movies.  This is all intentional to make you, to make you simply surrender, give up and do what you are told or die.

Neil:  Yeah.  I mean talking about the "Star Wars" movie interestingly enough the Darth Vader character was obviously all in black but all the soldiers were dressed in white.  And it was like, there was an old movie, I think it was called "Shane" I think where the anti-hero was dressed in black and the good guy was dressed in... Iím sorry the bad guy was dressed in white or something.  And itís almost like itís there to confuse you.  They think oh theyíre dressed in white, they must be the good guys you know.  And the other one you see whoís dressed in black, is the head guy, heís got super powers so you know he must be alright as well or that kind of thing.  

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  But and everybody wants to be that guy.  They want to be able to bend people to their will as it were.

Alan:  Thatís right.  In the 90ís I can remember, I lived a bit further south in Ontario and in a little spud town, a potato town, literally thatís how it survived, it was surrounded by farms and they grew potatoes.  And I can remember one day seeing four policemen, you never saw policemen in this place, who looked like models.  And they were walking abreast going down the sidewalk in this town and for the first time they had changed from the blue and sky blue shirts that the cops used to wear here into this complete black outfit including black shirt, black tie, and the army boots on with the trousers tucked in the boots and I looked at them walking down there.  They were all kind of jovial, unlike the general policeman you know, but who at least you could approach.  They werenít so formidable and intimidating looking.  And then I saw it in the local paper and they wondered if anyone had noticed, if anybody had noticed these guys walking down because they were parading to familiarize the new uniform to the general public it said. 

And I must admit when I saw them walking down the street I looked around to see if anybody else was watching and they were not.  And I realized then they had already become acclimatized in seeing these kinds of outfits on SWAT teams in American movies and drama series, like NYPD Blue. 

So it already worked on the public without this little demonstration.  But from an observerís point of view it worked awfully well because Iím sure that most of them didnít give it a second thought.  Most folk donít reason through things today because they are already pre-programmed to decide what they are seeing.  The programming is deciding what you are seeing before you actually reason your way through it.  Itís all this copious stuff from universities and all this stuff, behaviorism, and how they have already conditioned the public for every step in advance of the actual events happening.

Neil:  Yeah.  After the war I mean they all obviously, now they come back and they are completely traumatized, thatís the way theyíve been back then.  But after the war these young guys were to come back and they didnít have the drugs available to them that they do now so I mean what happened to those guys?  I mean I know a lot of them did stay in the army for a while but the ones that came out, I mean how were they treated?

Alan:  The ones that came back they didnít have so much of the same problems because they were not, even in World War II, told to simply exterminate people, the enemy.  Todayís army is vastly different as I say you enter free fire zones and you go into whole villages, thereís Fallujah and about five other ones that they went in one after the other that were not fighting them and just round up young guys and shot them.  It was execution style, thatís the difference.  Itís going against something which is not normal to human nature.  Thatís why they have to be drugged today.  In World War II you saw your enemy.  Theyíre firing at you; you are firing at them, a clear distinction.  But when they surrendered, you accepted their surrender you know. 

Neil:  Well I mean you donít really hear about troops surrendering anymore because I donít suppose there is anybody close by to take them prisoner. 

Alan:  They donít want prisoners now.  Actually back in the 90ís and even before that in various U.S. publications to do with the military they discussed creating, not just a robo kind of soldier, the Cyber Soldier, but also the one that was a Pharma Soldier.  Lots of drugs to alter their normal responses to make them more efficient killers and the drugs they concentrated on as I say would blunt the affect, the normal emotional response, and to saving someone or helping or forgiving someone.  And that way itís much easier to kill people when you are walking around in a kind of fugue state.  Itís just like a video game, you are in a fugue state, thereís the enemy, shot, bang, dead, and thatís that.

So a lot of neuroscientists have been working on this.  There is massive money in it, massive amounts of money given to the top neuroscientists to dehumanize the public.  And with using the behaviorists as well and with methods to basically make them go against natural instincts, in fact they completely obliterate natural instincts which are not to simply kill people unless your life is absolutely threatened you know.  Thatís all been successfully done. 

Fiction was the greatest method of all because children soak it up like crazy.  We know the x-boxes and all the rest of the stuff are completely addictive.  Iíve read the articles on the air, on RBN, and even some before that on "Sweet Liberty", and other ones, Iíve read the articles out from the military discussing this very thing, how successful they were in basically bringing this type of technique to the youth who were growing up with it and who were already trained to kill without thinking.   

Neil:  Yeah I mean back in, back when I was young we had the, I think it was called "The Victor", the magazine, the comic, sorry, and publications like that.  And we had our, you know, the plastic soldiers that came in a bag and there were about forty of them or something.  And you would get ones that were different colors so there were opposing armies and you threw marbles at them and you knocked them over and that kind of thing, and that was as far as it went.  There was no blood and gore, there was none of that and you grew out of it.  You just, you know you had enough of that and you went on to something else. 

But as you say the video games, theyíve started them at a younger and younger age.  They and introducing the violence on a very basic level, maybe itís Tom and Jerry type of stuff, but there are still people getting hit with hammers.  

Alan:  They still are but definitely when they brought in the video games, which are addictive, I read all the stuff from the Pentagon that said these were designed for the military and they were all for the public, the youngsters being trained in that.  You see they wanted a generation around 1990 and onwards that would be brought up on video games who are already ready to go in and just kill when they were told to kill.  And so they created it because they had all these wars to fight across the Middle East and in Asia and so on, so they had to prepare a generation for that which they did awfully successfully.  And a lot of this came from their own writings by the way, from the Pentagon, you know admitting this.

Neil:  Yeah.  You know thatís quite amazing.  When I was young I used to get fed up hearing my parents say you know when I was young it was never like this you know.  And now Iím at that stage myself and I look back and I think how did this happen you know?  And but having said that people around you, my own generation as it were, who have no idea whatís going on just canít even remember what it used to be like. 

Alan:  They canít remember.  That was part of the conditioning process thatís been incredibly well done I must admit, that Bertrand Russell talked about and many others that worked full time to create the new Western culture, including mass promiscuity and so on.  He also worked with the groups in the U.S., the Macy Group and the Frankfurt School, to bring in as I say massive promiscuity, separate the emotional bonding from the sexual act, which they have done awfully successfully too.  But also to make people narcissistic so that their little world would revolve around them, they would think about themselves far, far more than other people.  Thatís been terribly successful.  And he says when they are like that they will simply obey to keep all the goodies that they have and they wouldnít risk losing them.  So they will stay in their own little circle, their little bubble of happiness and they donít want to know about the rest of the world and whatís happening, etcetera.  Then the state moves in you understand.

Donít forget that the state system was designed, all these services, even police services now are a police authority or force.  Lenin said this, he said, the West will have all these agencies start up, these volunteer to start with a lot of agencies, that will become services, and eventually they will become authorities.  And he mentioned the health service would become a health authority, mandate inoculations, etcetera.  And eventually mandate sterilizations which they did in Britain and across the U.S.  The U.S. was still sterilizing what they call mentally, subnormal, back and right up through the 1970ís. 

And so eugenics was all a big, big part of this whole darn thing.  And for the rest of the public they were to be dehumanized and not to come in to aid their fellow man because once you are narcissistic, living in your little bubble, you are disassociated from all your friends around about you.  They are simply friends that you get something from or something like that but they are not real friends as such.  This was the society they wanted to bring in.  And going back to the 1920ís, H.G. Wells in a couple of his non-fictional books working for the Fabian Society, which is just a branch by the way to run the left wing on behalf of the Royal Institute for International Affairs, they run all sides of it.  He said that, apart from the breaking the bonds, the emotional bonds and separating the sex and the bond from the act itself, he also said the same thing that eventually governmentís goal, and he was all for that, was so that they could talk down to you, the individual, and no one will stand up to help you around you.  They would all be afraid of their own little luxuries being taken away if they get involved, things like that.  And so they wonít risk anything to come to your aid.  You are on your own, there will be no family around you either that will stand up for you. 

Today what you hear for instance, a person gets broke, they lose their job, their own family members will say oh go to the government services, go get welfare.  They wonít help them out you see.  Theyíve all been trained.  If the child has some kind of abnormality, oh let the government deal with that, put him in a home.  So the services now become authorities.  And they are so happy to take more responsibility because it gives them more authority over you.  But they were all designed from the beginning to eventually become authorities including the police force by the way.  Yeah, itís all been achieved. 

Neil:  Yeah.  I want to talk about, weíll go to a piece of music first and come back and talk about the kind of, the enemy we have, the so-called enemy weíve got now in the Muslim world because they still seem to have some humanity and they are still very tight knit in terms of family and relationships and all the rest of it.  And I lived in Turkey for a while, many years ago, and I see whatís happening in Turkey now and I begin to wonder if that was set up a long time ago.  They divided that country into east and west.  They westernized the western seaboard there all the way around as far as Ankara really and the rest of it is basically a Vietnam going on there with, there is an incessant war going on there.  But no, weíll come back and talk about that and how propagandaís been used to try to take away their humanity if you like.  So weíll go to a piece of music Steve and weíll come back after that.

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Neil:  Welcome back to Reality Bytes Radio on the 15th of May, 2014.  Iím with our guest Alan Watt.  We were talking during the break about the way that our enemies are created for us and I spent a bit of time in Turkey and there was, well there still is a war going on there, on the eastern side of that country.  And I used to see guys coming from Eastern Turkey to Western Turkey for work and they were a different people all together but even the ones from Western Turkey who actually were conscripted at that time and sent over to fight in what was called over there, the Turkish Vietnam.  It was so horrific.  They would come back in an awful state, they werenít physically injured, but they were certainly mentally injured.† I watched people in nightclubs basically biting through their own tongues, stuff like that.† It was quite horrific.  But what I did see there was the whole western culture being kind of forced on the Turkish people.  And Iíve seen that again in Bulgaria where the banks have just moved in on mass.  The local town close to where I normally visit had two banks ten years ago and now I think there are forty.† Well close to forty.  And not just different branches of the same bank, all different banks.† All offering their mortgages, credit cards, you name it.  But in Bulgaria I mean there is a lot of talk here about all these Bulgarians that are supposed to come to Britain which has never materialized because I think as I said a year ago or so it never would materialize because they canít even afford the bus fare to the local town.  Never mind getting over here.  But they all own their houses.  Every one of them owns their own home.† They own a piece of land.  And the banks have moved in and basically screwed them out of them by lending them money they knew well they couldnít afford to pay back.† And they are just repossessing the houses now. 

Alan:  Well what happened was also, you see I know a lot of people who did move to Britain from Bulgaria and itís mainly young people.  And they canít get work there because since the collapse and all the rest of it, the money that the EU, all the millions and millions of euros that the EU had put into Bulgaria never reached the people to create work, it doesnít happen.  It goes into the old politburo bosses who still run the country.  And they are in cahoots with the banks.  But you also have a complicated factor, a lot of the big Russian mafia mobs, weíll call them mafia to be safe, but the mobs at Russia that helped, they helped to collapse Cyprus and the bail-in came in and all that kind of stuff.  They were putting the money there too.  They also put it into the big banks.  They were spreading the banks out, they were proliferating in Bulgaria for that purpose, sinking a lot through there thinking it would be safer because of the U.S. bases going in there and have gone in with the missiles that are aimed at Russia. 

So there is a lot of finagling going on but in fact the problem is there is so much natural corruption there because it was corrupt all through the communist era where the politburo bosses lived like kings, a lot of them, and they are still in the same positions today under social democrats, etcetera.  Thatís the term they are using now.  Itís the same bunch and the public donít get to see the money.  So there is no work for the young folk and as you know there are houses all over Bulgaria where they just walk away and leave them vacant because there is no way they can earn money to live and so they are moving out of course.  Which again I think is part of the agenda as well, itís deliberate.  

Neil:  Theyíre certainly killing the villages.  I know we are getting off topic, but they are certainly killing the villages there.And by just that methodology, the young people are moving out on mass really.And I would say your average village has probably got about 25 to 30% of the homes empty.

Alan:  Thatís right, all over the country.

Neil:  Yeah, and there are even whole villages that are empty.So anybody who wants to know about Agenda 21, it looks like itís coming soon to a town near you.  You know, thatís it.  Thatís the way itís going.  And I get a lot of young people over there who actually they are quite clued up.They are quite aware of whatís going on because they still have generations in their family who could warn them what it looks like.

Alan:  Thatís one thing that has struck through.  We forget too a lot of the people who lived through that whole era, under the communist regimes, they were Orthodox Christians, Eastern Orthodox, a lot of them.  And they, because Iím in touch with some today, and they kept their own little secret services, private services going you might say, for religious things in their own homes.  Every town, itís very much like total information awareness network we have across the West now.  In fact they copied a lot of that from the Soviet system.  So these folk who lived in Bulgaria and elsewhere, Czechoslovakia, had these private little meetings to celebrate their particular religion, because in every town and village there were private snoops that were working for the secret services that would shop them.  The only difference was that most of the folk in Bulgarian villages knew who the particular one was in their village so theyíd watch him as much as heíd watch them.  So they could do these little things. 

But along with it came their morality.  They carried that natural old morality along with them too to help each other out and that was so vitally important.  We forget that because we are not given that side of the story.  But things were terrible there and starvation came along every so often in the Soviet systems often on purpose you saw them starving out Hungary, places like that, 6 or 7 million people died on deliberate policy of starving people out as Stalin sold the grain abroad at that time.  We forget thatís been done across the whole Soviet system including China.  Mao Tse-tung did the same thing there, deliberate policy.  And folk that survived, often survived because they still had something that kept them bonded together, in other words a common culture.  And we forget that too, most common cultures have some form of religion, it doesnít matter what nation or type it is.  They have something that holds them together and keeps their humanity intact so they can survive. 

In the West we have lost all of that until it is dog eat dog.  In fact in the West the guy who gets to the top by any means possible it doesnít matter how vicious he has been, he is lauded and approved by the general population right down to the bottom level.  They treat them like kings because they got so wealthy.  Thatís what the West worships, is wealth you know.  Thatís what they worship.  And you might say the religion in the West, especially in the U.S., is actually politics. 

Neil:  Yeah well I mean over there, the people, and Iím talking about Bulgaria now again, the people are generally happy.  They donít have enough to get by half the time but they will still give you some. 

Alan:  Itís not just happiness, itís a natural... The thing is you can be happier more; you are not so neurotic when you have a common culture that will help each other out.  And you know that, itís a safety net you see.

We donít have it in the West anymore.  Everything is left up to government agencies.  And so they are the big boss for everything.  But over in those countries the folk have had a common culture and their common decency came out in that culture where they really, really would help each other through in all the villages to keep folk alive you know. 

Neil:  Yeah, well Iíve actually seen that because I mean people in the U.K., you know when they hear about Bulgarians, Romanians, something in the national press here, just think of them all as scrounging parasites as it were.But if they spent you know a winter in a Bulgarian village they would soon find out what these guys have to put up with.I know one chap who died in his home, and he was only in his 60ís.  He had no glass in his windows.I mean thatís how poor he was.  He couldnít afford a bed or anything.And there is no welfare system there.  And we basically, you know people tried to help him out as much as they could but he was, you know, he had his pride and all the rest of it.And unfortunately that was the end of him.  But people just donít, they look at these pictures on the television and think oh thatís quaint.Theyíve got chickens and some pigs and stuff.And they think itís an easy life.And they have no idea. 

Alan:  They have no idea and they forget too there is also their own little mafia thatís run them all through the Soviet and into the present system as well.  It still runs it today you know. 

Neil:  Absolutely.

Alan:  And I know people today who have been attacked by these particular goons, who will come in if you have a few pigs sometimes and they will just grab them and off they go.  And there is nothing you can do about it because you know who they are and they are monsters if they come after you.

Neil:  Oh yeah.  Well Iíve told you the little story off air there during the break and you donít mess with some people and thatís it.  But they have their own control system of course and you drive into a Gypsy encampment, itís all enclosed, itís almost like a concentration camp.And theyíve got a very large house at one end of it with a guy sitting outside with the shotguns.And thatís who runs it all. 

Alan:  Thatís correct. 

Neil:  Thatís the way it is.  As I say we got a little off topic there.  I mean do you think that there is any hope that people will actually get their humanity back?  Or I mean is there any way of reversing whatís clearly happened?

Alan:  Weíve got to remember that no countries have had so much war on the general populations as the Western Countries.  This was the whole intention of the Frankfurt School that was given authority along with the Macy School, Russell was a member of both, Bertrand Russell, as well as UNESCO and so on.  He was a member of all these groups.  And he worked with all the behaviorists of the day to bring in a new...  They were given authority these groups, working collectively to bring in a brand-new culture for the Western Countries.  They had to get rid of their religious stance.  That was one mandate.  They had to become almost secular humanists.  That was to be the new religion brought in by the United Nations.  It still is by the way.  And itís been awfully, awfully successful today where folk are quite content in their world believing that if they ever needed that safety net, they donít go to friends if they have any at all or family, they go to the government agency that they think is going to help them.  Often they get an awful shock because it doesnít work the way that they say it works. 

But the government now is the total boss over every aspect of your life.  That was part of it and the old family structures have been almost, almost eradicated you know, almost.  There is still a remnant within some families of strong ties and good luck to them because youíll really need them.  The folk who donít have that are literally on their own if anything nasty happens to them personally. 

That was always the intention of this system to make the government the top boss.  And thatís why George Orwell in his "1984" book had the screen in every home and the screen was attached, came right from Big Brother, all the bureaucrats, and even your mandatory keep-fit instructors came on every morning.  They could talk right to you number so-and-so, Smith, you know.  Stand up straight, touch your toes, blah, blah.  That would be it.  You couldnít turn around to anybody to help you, friends, family, or anything.  It was all gone.  And thatís almost been achieved.  You understand this was, they called it "Total War".  Total meant the destruction of all that was to bring in the new.  And thatís been very successfully done in the Western Countries. 

Neil:  Yeah, absolutely.  I just reread "Fahrenheit 451" recently and of course you have the full wall television sets in that as well.  And the status symbol was to have one on every wall. 

Alan:  And interactive as well.

Neil:  Yeah, you were interactive.  And they had soap operas before soap operas were even heard of and before television was even heard of.  But yeah it really is hard to see how it can be reversed but I suppose we have got to hope for the best, that there are people coming through who donít take the indoctrination.  I mean I know that itís almost impossible to avoid it.

Alan:  Itís almost impossible today, in fact again you always go back to the masters who set up the present cultural system and changes in the cultural system that have yet to be implemented because they were doing it in stages.  But most of them are dead now.  These guys drafted up the whole era to come post World War II, the 60ís counter-revolution, etcetera, revolution, all the different revolutions.  They planned the sexual revolution, the feminist revolutions, and so on all the way down including by the way they were completely integrated with the fashion industry believe it or not.  Because you have to have all these, these are all part of culture and so on and the music industry to bring in a brand new culture where government would be in total control, experts.  This was the Club of Rome by the way if you go into their writings.  This is what they were working with too and they also worked with Bertrand Russell. 

So they were to bring in this brand new culture where the state and all of its agencies would be the bosses from birth to death of every individual under their system.  And thatís what GIRFEC is about in Scotland.  They have other ones in England that are much similar.  They brought one into the States thatís kind of similar.  And so itís to be a unified culture eventually across the whole wide world, a complete new system, a complete new system for the world.  A world order means a world order.  And thatís what theyíve been working with eventually.  A common, common culture across the planet will come out of this eventually after all of the different riots of ethnic clashes. 

And these guys work intergenerationally.  They donít say we have to get it done in our time; they can do it two, three, four, five generations down the road.  Thatís what the foundations were set up to do.  And there is a great book out itís called, "Foundations their Power and Influence".  It was written about all what you think about as non-profit organizations of the big Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford, and all the ones in Britain as well that were to be a parallel government and then be the government, because the ones who set up these foundations would be the bosses of international corporations, one and the same thing.  Thatís why Bill Gates who was never elected to anything has so much power in the world and over countries, and so on.  Thatís why those big boys in the Club of Rome have so much power in what they say and all their stuff gets used at the United Nations. 

The United Nations is also the embryo for the centralization for World Government even though none of us have ever voted to get them set up and started on the go to begin with never mind a vote to see who gets in.  Itís completely undemocratic you see.  And the same with the trading blocks where eventually the CEOs of the corporations, who also run the big foundations that run all the NGOs and fund them all, shape the direction that the whole worldís traveling in.  They give all the funding to universities, etcetera.  And along with the funding comes the mandates what to teach and what not to teach.  So they can direct the whole shape and future of the minds of all those who are growing up, and so they are prepared for their part in the world even if they donít understand it until it happens.  Itís a perfect scientifically organized system this, and this is the world they want to be run by experts from cradle to grave and itís worked very well up until now. 

What you see with the problems in society is simply the chaos and the clashes of old systems versus new systems.  The old systems are always dropping off because they canít fight it, they donít have the finances even to fight it never mind the time.  And the authorities make it quite plain that nothing is going to stand in their way, they are going to get what they want, again overwhelming force. 

Overwhelming force doesnít simply mean that police come at you with combat gear; it also means that all the legal departments of government and state will come against you and theyíll make you bankrupt and put you into poverty, etcetera, etcetera.  They make life unbearable for you.  Thatís also part of overwhelming force, total war.  So all these aspects are being used today to train the public into the ideal obedient citizen that they want for the present and the near future, definitely the near future.

Neil:  Yeah, well whatís happening to Britain tomorrow is the first debate in parliament which just happens to coincide with the last day of the concession which they brought forward by a week.  Just last week they decided to give themselves an extra weekís holiday.  Is the National Service Bill, thatís getting debated in parliament tomorrow and nobody is going to have any right to reply on it Iím sure.  But that coincides with a program thatís already in place called the National Citizens Service Program for 16 to 19 year olds.  And one of my colleagueís son went on it, well as a volunteer, and to do a bit of research for his mom.  And basically itís a boot camp and they have Alsatian dogs come into the dormitory and sniff through all their belongings and their billets if you want to call it, in military terms anyway, everything is searched, their clothes are searched, their private baggage is searched, and thatís for 16 to 19 year olds, and the National Service Bill is for 19 to 25 year olds.  So itís all falling into place.  

Alan:  Itís falling into place and they keep pushing through the same bill in the U.S.  Itís exactly the same bill for you to work abroad or at home to serve the country as they call it.  But itís also to train a generation.  Out of the ones they train for this they will select the ones that really go for it, that really like it.  And theyíll select them to be the new overseers in their little areas of communitarianism for the future.  The big plan of course that Cameron keeps prattling on about because eventually you have to live in your little communitarian area with appointed, just like...  What you are living in is the goal that the Soviet Union never reached, where Soviet means ruled by councils remember.  But these councils were not elected, they were appointed.  And the leaders were all appointed.  And this is the new system, the great plan, the great work, the great society, all of the terms they are using in Britain are about.  And so these people will be little fanatics, majordomos and theyíve gone through their little national service thing, theyíve been picked because they really like it.  They adapt to authoritarianism very well.  They like authoritarianism.  They like to give out authority and these are the ones theyíll make your majordomos over you.  

Neil:  Yeah going back to Bulgaria the thing, thatís already happening actually there again.  They are having these people in the villages kind of going around and exerting some kind of authority which they were never elected to do.  But you know thatís, at least people there still recognize it for what it is and they are actually warning their children.

Alan:  They do.  They know exactly what it is, itís just the West that are totally blinded, they donít know whatís going on.Because they havenít had that before.  They havenít had your neighbors being dragged off in the middle of the night by the goon squad you know.

Neil:  Well talking about people being dragged off in the middle of the night, Robert Green is still in prison after what, three months now, on no charges really and heís up for bail again tomorrow which is unlikely heíll get it.  But anybody who wants to write him, Iíve got his prison number and his address somewhere but Iíll post it up here possibly tomorrow or something.  But yeah, I mean they are actually taking people off the street.  I think there was another case yesterday.  I was speaking to somebody, somebody who reported pedophilia, a mother and a daughter, and both of them were just taken away.So there you go.

Alan:  Yes.  Itís interesting too which stories they will publish to make sure you get a point, a point that sinks into our heads.  And all this stuff that they will never publish of course you know because in reality government, theyíve gone to an awful lot of time and trouble through propaganda and indoctrination techniques and through schooling to give us all a fake impression of what government is all about.  And this was well covered by Adam Curtis by the way, especially through the television, the BBC, etcetera, and how it operated, and why it operated the way that it did.  He did also "The Power of Nightmares".  Itís well worth watching that series where he used a lot of footage thatís never been shown to the public before of how they decided what was good for the public, bad for the public.  But basically his series completely affirmed what Jacques Ellul, the philosopher in France, what he said about propaganda, he said all television shows to do with the state exercising force to keep the public order, the public good, all of that, he says all dramas and fiction are complete propaganda, a well understood technique amongst behaviorists. 

Another one too is for the coming pharmacological control of the general population, gradually accepting them that taking pills is normal.  They start them off at childhood, pick the brighter ones out at school and dumb them down to an extent until they are in a fugue state once again, they canít operate properly and they go through life on pills.  We know that a lot of these pills, especially the amphetamine types that they give them for children, prescribed ones, shrink their brain.  We know that, itís a physical effect and itís well documented too.  It canít be, cannot be disproved.  Itís not an iffy thing, it happens, and they take the brightest children that ask all the right questions and they attack them right there and then and that ties in with what Russell said about the bright children of the future, he said weíll have to eliminate them.  Well theyíve done it awfully successfully. 

They also said that some children in previous years, before the 40ís, could slip through their nets, but not anymore at school because they give them so many tests and so much neuroscientists pour over all these little tests and their scores and so on.  They know exactly what it means and they can give you a complete readout on this childís personality.  What heíll go for, what he wonít go for, what he will go along with and what he will not go along with, etcetera.  And they are all marked down precisely for scientific control of the population.  This is what all of this is about folks.  Most folk donít reason, they do not reason the news out for themselves.  They get downloaded with bits and bytes of it and repetition, repetition all the time, bits and bytes from this news station and that news station.  And they donít think through it but it sort of congeals and comes together in their head the way itís intended.  But they have never reasoned through things, they simply adopt the opinion that they have left them with.  And itís a scientific technique that works awfully, awfully well.  You are left with your opinions that become yours, and so much so that you see the guys in the bars fighting over opinions that actually they have never reasoned through in their lives. 

Neil:  Yeah, it sort of shocked me that, thatís why the social services are now claiming that, not to vaccinate your child is a cause for neglect, and they are coming after them because if you canít get the vaccines in them they might actually start thinking for themselves later on in life.

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  But thatís, and I think it was Jacques Ellul again in the book, "Propaganda", he said that all propaganda has to be from every source continuous, it canít be allowed to stop.  And if it stops then the chain will be broken. 

Alan:  Actually theyíve got a term for it.  They have got a term for it and youíll see it often in the treaties they sign up, from the Council on Foreign Relations, which is simply the American branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs.  And these are the guys who drafted up, they were the guys put in charge and they drafted up, they put themselves in charge, they are an unelected private organization.  They put themselves in charge and they drafted up all the treaties and the signatory stuff and the structure for the integration of the whole of Europe.  They did the same thing for the NAFTA agreement for the integration of the Americas.  And they came out on television in Canada, they had admitted it by the way for the first in 2005.  They came out as the Council on Foreign Relations for Canada and the States and Mexico and admitted they drafted up the charter for all of these free trade agreements which means amalgamation of all your systems together down the road, incrementally. 

But I noticed an article recently and what they said in it was now that free trade has been institutionalized, thatís the term they used where the repetition that you are talking about is everyday language, folk accept it without questioning it or even reasoning through it.  Itís just there like gravity.  Itís a normal thing.  Now that weíve got free trade rationalized and institutionalized in everyday business and conversation weíll go the next step which is and not just the Pacific Rim Agreement, trading with the Pacific Rim and so on, Pacific countries, but also with the whole of Europe.  Again tightening that bond with the trade with Europe which is an integration of all your economic policies which eventually leads to all your criminal and non-criminal policies and legalistic terms because thatís how countries are defined.  You are defined by your economic system.  When you go into law school thatís what theyíll teach you there.  Your country and all of its laws is defined by your economic system of imports, exports, manufacturing, and so on.  The value of human life comes down to what could this person that you murdered have produced in their life for this company and the taxes that they would have created for the government to collect.  And thatís how your punishment comes along, thatís how it is decided upon, your financial value to the system.  No kidding.

So once you start integrating all your trade agreements which eventually get systems built and to deal with a new economic branch dealing with nothing but trade in every country then they are dealing with each other then it broadens out into the wider society.  Thatís how the European Union and its new parliament came to be which the boys who set it up knew would be eventually anyway. {Laughs}  Itís quite amazing. 

So people have no idea how the world really works but again itís done through propaganda.  And youíve lived through Iím sure all of the "should we vote for the European Union or not" for integration.  Youíve seen it over and over and people said nobody wanted it but they got it regardless.  And they kept telling you the same propaganda that they use in Canada and they are using in Mexico and they are using for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, etcetera.  Oh if you donít join you will be left behind.  Weíve all seen that too.  And look at the mess Europe is in with its massive, incredible financial debt because of it all.  Look at the deindustrialization, all the factories have gone to China because that was all set up by the Royal Institute for International Affairs by the way.  They set up the World Trade Organization, the IMF, and the Bank for International Settlements.  These are all privately owned by this group. 

So why do the people bother voting when non-governmental bodies dictate the policies including the treaties, all your trade agreements, and your integrations into trading blocks?  Why do you bother voting for these politicians that spout jobs, jobs, jobs, education and healthcare at election time when these guys have got nothing to do with it?  

Neil:  And law and order of course.  But yeah I mean we are supposed to vote for these creeps next Thursday for the European parliament again.  A European parliament which costs us 55 million pounds a day and if we didnít pay it for one year we wouldnít have this bogus national debt in the first place.  

Alan:  If folk would just stop voting all together that would be a start.

Neil:  Yeah exactly.

Alan:  Why participate in the scam? 

Neil:  Well itís actually illegal to pay taxes to a government which is illegally paying taxes to an organization which doesnít produce accounts.

Alan:  Thatís right.  Itís actually illegal to claim or demand taxes from a citizen from a corporate body that doesnít have anybodyís signature on it. 

Neil:  Yeah, yeah.  Well if only more people just step back and just stopped paying up the world might be a better place.

Alan:  Well we know what we have to do or what folk have to do but the fact is nobody is going to do it because again theyíve done thousands of odd studies.  They do thousands of them every year on all of us and all the different think tanks and they publish them in all these different institutes across the planet to see how many folk would stand up for this and stand up for this particular thing or that particular thing.  And they know that theyíve got the society so fragmented.  They know that the ones at the bottom always get hurt first naturally.  When they stand up they either are totally ignored or they end up starting riots.  Riots are easy to control. 

The middle classes pretend that their little bubble is going to go on forever and they donít squeal until they actually get hit personally and they canít afford things etcetera, etcetera, thatís when they start squealing.  And the ones that try to emulate the upper classes have nothing in common with them whatsoever.  They see you as the same peasant as they see in China.  They donít care, all the peasants are the same to them and their reality is totally different than is portrayed on the fictional television, etcetera. 

So they know that no one will stand up in unison for what should be done and has to be done if you are going to save anything at all in society or allow your children to literally be turned into pharmacological robots and maybe yourself as well down the road with your Soma to keep you happy.  This is what itís all about.  This is the new system.

The Club of Rome in their book, it was called, "The First Global Revolution", it said in it that democracy doesnít work however theyíve always used the term democracy from the United Nations and so on as they want to conquer other countries to bring them all into the same system.   So you have a faÁade of what people think is democracy, and the faÁade of they think they have rights too, but in reality the Club of Rome said if there are too many factions all competing for power there could never be any harmony therefore an authoritarian system must be introduced, run scientifically.  And they were simply reiterating H.G. Wells and many others before him on the same system. 

What you are seeing now is the training into authoritarianism.  And youíll notice too, Iíve noticed this, the general news for instance since the Leveson Inquiry and the bill that went forward by Leveson, Lord Leveson in Britain, it kind of muzzled a lot of journalists.  There is less speculation about and personal opinions by journalists now.  You get more trivia churned out than ever before.  At the same time you had the Finkelstein Inquiry in Australia who also turned out the big bill there, massive thousands of page bills, for it to cut, muzzle the media in Australia.  I think Canada has done it too.  So all the British Commonwealth countries went along with it at the same time. 

And what you are seeing in the news now is nothing but absolute propaganda and trivia, trivia.  And all the news you get is about over there somewhere but not whatís happening right in your own backyard.  You may get it in a local paper, petty crime and things like that, but nothing major about what your governments are actually up to.  And youíll notice too there is less and less politicians coming out and saying things as they try to get you conditioned and they are doing it very well.  This is through a conditioning process for the public to gradually accept the fact not to expect statements from the actual politicians that you think you elect.  And what you get is announcements simply from governmental departments.  This is the new authoritarian system they are training you into.  For the future you will simply accept the fact there is a power structure above you thatís run by some kind of special experts out of special wombs.  And you just go out and play and work hard and pay your taxes and be good and donít concern yourself with it.  Thatís the system they are bringing in right now as we live and itís very obvious.

Neil:  Yeah.  What Iíve noticed.  We were down at parliament on budget day and trying to get some of these characters, and we went down the street and there wasnít a politician anywhere.  And even the police on the gate said this is highly unusual, this just doesnít happen.  They were obviously told to stay away.  And as I say we have got this farce of an election next Thursday and Iíve yet to see anybody out in the street campaigning.  Theyíve just, they have disappeared. 

Alan:  Well we donít really need them anymore.  And again thatís training the public that it doesnít matter.  Theyíll put their own boys in regardless and fake the numbers as they have done for an awful long time.  Like Stalin says, I donít care who votes, I only care about those that count the votes.  And thatís all rigged so theyíll carry this system on for a little while more but they are training the public not to even be concerned about it, that to accept this new authoritarian system.  Theyíve already said by the way in the Pentagon and the publications of the CFR, accept it, antiterrorism is going to go on forever.  So antiterrorism now covers every spectrum of law and order and even civil law and so on, everything.  This is the new rule for the future for the rest of your lives and beyond.  Yeah, thatís what theyíve said.

Neil:  Well of course that was in ď1984Ē as well you know, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism.  Okay, well weíve kind of gone over a bit on time but thanks very much again Alan for your insights and your knowledge.   

Alan:  Itís a pleasure.

Neil:  And Iím sure weíll have you back next month or so again. 

Alan:  Sure enough.  Itís been a pleasure. 

Neil:  We have a few days to sort it out.  Okay, weíll go to a short piece of music and then weíll be back with something on vaccines I think.

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