Aug. 14, 2014 (#1455)

Originally Broadcast Aug. 14, 2014 on


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Neil:  Welcome to Reality Bytes Radio on the 14th of August 2014.  And we have our regular monthly guest Alan Watt on the line.  And I think weíll just fire straight into it Alan because weíre going to go through your first three volumes of your writings.  And going back to 1999, the first one.  The second one I think was 1999 and the third volume was 2003.And I suppose that the logical question to ask is what inspired you to write this, these three volumes, to start with?

Alan:  Well I used to listen to different shows at night, radio shows mainly and somehow or another I ended up getting on one because I listened to people being sort of bewildered as to what was happening in the world.  And they went into all areas of how long has this system existed, what is this system, all kinds of answers to it and so on, but they didnít know the histories.  And so, someone said why donít you write that, rather than just going on the radio and talk about it, why donít you just put it in some book form?  And so I did and had given basic stuff basically, for me itís basic anyway.  And it gives them a leg up as to what this, this whole reality that we take for granted, what it really is, how it came to be.  The processes and techniques behind it that condition us all, in all ages, to accept the system weíre living in as being quite normal and regardless of the conditions.  And thatís really how it started me off on that line of thinking and so on. 

And then after I got them out too other shows asked me on and then it just steamrolled from there.  I really just thought it was time as well that since Iíve studied for basically my whole life; I studied in the libraries because I was always asking the questions that other children werenít asking at school.  I thought Iíll find out for myself and when I realized that the material was there, the knowledge was there, but itís like H.G. Wells called it, "The Open Conspiracy" you might say.  And then when I got into the sciences behind it, psychology, behaviorism, all the teams and think tanks that the governments all hire to manage our lives for us and the culture industry and how far back that went itís not such a mystery after all.  You donít have to go looking out for aliens to do it.  You know itís all here.  And the human brain hasnít really changed for an awful long time.  Even in ancient times to the present itís been the same, the same brain, the same nature, power, wealth, and this odd thing called money dictates the system that you will live in and be trained to believe is quite natural. 

Neil:  Yeah so I mean okay letís start on Volume I, "The Androgynous (Hermaphroditic) Agenda"

Alan:  Yeah, well that to me was interesting because in ancient times it sort of tied in with the present because the present sciences are working towards this.  They have books out on it now and theyíre doing tests with embryos and stem cells to see if they can create a hermaphrodite as a human being.  Technically, what they say, it will be the end of all conflict.  Thatís always been used as an excuse to further a particular very clever agenda that recently...  Thatís why youíve got the rise of the feminist movement; it didnít come from the women themselves, it came from the big money boys that ran the system at the time.  They even financed these organizations into being to try to end what they call marriage and conflict and things like that. 

But you go back into ancient times and youíll find that behind all the gods youíll find the same story that God himself or itís Brahma or whoever fertilized himself and gave birth, you see, to what became his daughter Ė wife, etcetera.  Itís the same kind of story youíll find that Plato talked about when he talked about the ancient gods or ancient humans that were the golden race that had a male appearance when they walked towards you, but a female appearance from behind.  To the mystery religions of his day he was talking about the hermaphrodite person you see.  It took different transformations through Hinduism, into basically left brain, right brain, male-female, the perfect human being that was a balance of emotion and logic.  And that held sway right up even through the western cultures through Darwinism up to the present time basically.  So itís always been a hidden, you might say, manifestation of the agenda that comes out in cryptic terms, in terminology.†

NASA also a few years back did a two-hour documentary special on space travel and they touched on that too that it may be very difficult for long-term space travel for humans because of the time it would take to get to planets and so on.  And generations would get born and die, etcetera.  But they also talked about the conflict on board that they could have.  So what they came up with was an idea that eggs could be fertilized artificially by machinery and computers in the ship or the craft just before it gets to its destination.  So it would be frozen all that time and then they would create a hermaphroditic being which would therefore create no conflict between the male and female crew. 

So itís quite amazing to see science pick up on all of this.  But it goes back again even to the eunuch idea.  Eunuchs were pretty common across the Middle East and they were used as trusted servants, high servants for Pashas and so on, and Caliphs.  And you find the reason was is because they said that they could concentrate on their work and their business and so on.  And they wouldnít be swayed off by various passions or lusts, etcetera. 

So the hermaphrodite basically would be either a neutered creature all together but it wouldnít have the same sexual urge or attraction to copulate with other beings basically.  That was part of it.  Such a creature they claim would be a better worker, not distracted, and get more done, less conflict, etcetera.  In other words better behaved, easier to control on behalf of the masters who would not change themselves.  

Neil:  Well thatís funny that you should say that.  We were sitting in a restaurant the other day and we looked across at a table of young lads who were out for I donít know some school reunion or something and there wasnít a set of shoulders between them. 

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  You know they all had long hair and they were all as thin as rakes but they must have been 18 years old and not a bit of muscle on them. 

Alan:  Well hereís the key to that.  If you go into that youíll find that even professor Carroll Quigley when he wrote "Tragedy and Hope", near the beginning of his book he mentions the fact that in the 60ís suddenly, suddenly they noticed in the medical profession, that women were having, the young, that one generation that was coming up about eighteen, twenty, literally had much narrower hips.  And they didnít have the pelvic structure and thatís when cesarean section really took off. 

But also too of course as you say there was a change in the male structure.  We know the xeno or artificial estrogens that weíre fed in everything today had been applied since the late 50ís onwards.  And mind you they knew what these xenoestrogens did, Bisphenol A and so on, they knew that in the late 1800ís in Germany that was.  So they knew the effect it would have on the male and on the female.  But thatís when they brought in a lot of stuff in the plastics and all the rest of it.  And they even started to add it to baby food by the way.  I think itís still in the baby food.  They managed to get the FDA to reclassify it as a protein even though itís actually a plastic waste.†

So weíre really full of this stuff and I think too bioengineering has been going on with the inoculation agenda as well; after all, these big boys do not want volunteers.  They know we wouldnít be, that nobody would be...  Well maybe some today would volunteer for it but the rest would not want to volunteer to be changed in any way at all.  And itís been done covertly obviously.  Our immune systems are shot.  We have about one third of the resistance to bacteria and viruses that the generation prior to 1950 had.  And it was right up to the Polio virus and the rest of the inoculations that came, the vaccinations, that our immune systems started to show it.  In the 1960ís for the first time ever we had total immune syndrome problems like the bubble boy, etcetera.  He had been kept in a bubble and any bacterium, a common bacterium, could kill him.  That was unknown, unheard of before. 

So weíre being bioengineered all along the way here.  It doesnít only affect you physically and hormonally which it definitely does.  And by the way a good book to read on this part of the agenda is by Charles Galton Darwin, whoís a relative of Charles Darwin of course, a descendent, and the Galton family.  A eugenicist, Charles Galton Darwin, said that in his book, "The Next Million Years", on how the elite, the very super elite, would dominate the world for another million years.  He said, We shall have to alter the hormonal makeup of the male to take away his aggression and the female too, but mainly the male.  They could alter them physically, it might show, etcetera, but theyíd have to.  They could by propaganda purposes and the fact that most folk will never mention whatís obviously right in front of their face unless others are talking about whatís been on the media.  If the media doesnít mention it they wonít see it, they wonít notice it either.  They wonít say anything about it.  So even with the changes the people wouldnít complain as it became more and more obvious that the people are being bioengineered.  They said we can either put it in the food, the vaccinations, or the water, or all three.  Well theyíve done the lot.

Neil:  Well this is certainly in the lot and itís fairly obvious as you point out the changes in the physiology of people.  You use, I think particularly in the first section, you use a lot of symbolism and explain what it actually means, the numerology involved.  And Iíve heard you say many times, Iíve only read this book once, Iíve read the whole thing once and really I need to read it again.  But you explain, you break down words into the kind of distinctive parts and explain the combination of words and what they mean.  Could you go into that kind of thing and the relation to the symbolism? 

Alan:  Well what put me onto it really was a book by Albert Pike, and "The Encyclopedia of Freemasonry" by Mackey.  And they both mentioned the fact that they never speak, Masons never, high Masons that is, not what they call the common ones at the bottom, the blue lodge, the outer portico, the cover of Masonry.  The ones who think they know it all but theyíre not, they donít know much at all.  Heís talking about the higher degrees and especially in "Morals and Dogma" by Pike.  It was for the 32nd degree and upwards.  And he said that we never speak more plainly than we do when we speak together but in public.  In other words the public could be standing around them and even listening to the conversation.  You would hear one thing being said while they themselves would understand the inner meanings of the words they were using, etcetera.  This is a very old idea, it goes back, even in ancient times.  We tend to forget in the West that in the Middle East, and itís in still today in some religions like Judaism, that you have numbers that are also letters, you see, so that you can transpose one to the other and have a code if you like.  And they used the Chaldeans in ancient times invading armies, theyíd hire Chaldeans who also did this and thatís really where it all came from.  And they would use them as runners to carry messages between generals and they would do markings of numbers and different things on these sticks and the other guy at the other end would read it and know what the message was when he transposed it into language, cryptology in other words.  Itís very, very big amongst all of these secret societies.

But they also used as I say words themselves.  The English language as we know it today really came out around the time of Shakespeare.  And Shakespeare was given the credit for putting thousands of words into the English language which became common usage to the present time.  It isnít until you break them down that you start to see words within words.  And thatís the purpose, thatís what he means by "we never speak so plainly".  When they say a term or a certain word it can have two or three meanings all comprised in that particular word itself.  A listener would never even think of that.  So itís a cryptology in a sense.  And even in ancient times they said that words remember in hieroglyphic form are simply symbols.  A picture of a man kneeling or whatever is a symbol.  A man being circumcised that youíll see often in the steles and the steles in Egypt there, because they were all circumcised Egyptians, youíll see that thatís a symbol with different meanings hidden within that particular symbol as to what they mean.  But theyíre picture symbols.  And those same symbols in a kind of Art Nouveau form can take, they can even be transposed into say triangles for a pyramid and things like that.  So symbols are really a big language of all of what theyíre talking about too. 

If you look at the corporate logos of the international corporations that run all your energy, your food, everything you need for being.  Itís one big gang at the top you see and they all belong to it.  They use these particular logos that are very ancient a lot of them and highly symbolic of their function of what theyíre all about.  The pyramid can mean the mountain, you get three 1ís as well, you can get the Jachin and Boaz, the two pillars of Masonry when you get the letter "M", the capital letter "M" because you have two peaks there you see.  So they stand for the two peaks power.  Sometimes they will say male and female, they will control the mind and the logic of everything.  These are all very ancient symbols used for that purpose right to the present day with the corporate boys at the top.†

Neil:  Yeah.  I think what shocked me about, youíve often mentioned it, you know the alphabet itself is a series of symbols.  And when I first went to Eastern Europe and had to learn Cyrillic, and Iíll look at that and Iíll go oh thatís a bit strange.  And then once you get into it, particularly the small letters, what we call the small letters, many of them are exactly the same as English letters but theyíre a different letter.†

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  Which is, you know I mean that makes it hard for English people to learn that language but once you know it itís there.  But I mean those kind of, I suppose as you go further east the symbolism gets a bit more abstract I think.

Alan:  It can.  Well again too even modern cryptologists that are involved in all of this kind of thing admit that a lot of the very, very ancient symbology has been lost and changed through time.  Including even the customs within high, very high, Freemasonry itself as they have been lost, the rituals, etcetera, through time as theyíve changed them and changed them.  They claim itís absolutely ancient although it really broke out in the U.K. as Freemasonry as we know it today around the 1700ís, others claim 1500ís, but itís all debatable you know.

But itís always been here in some form or another.  And it came in with the money boys because they were alreadyÖ  We forget that most of Europe was still bartering and living very simply until the Roman invasion and in with the invasion came the money lenders.  They always went along with the army.  And they acted as quartermasters.  They took inventory of the supplies to feed that army, etcetera, and what they got in return was the right to introduce money into conquered lands which hadnít used money before.  And then they had the right to tax it back.  And they would tax back money with goods as well.  That really hasnít changed till the present time.  So itís a very ancient system, this money system that gives a leisure class the time to have the leisure which gives them time to then hire good minds that can then study society as we do today like the psychologists and behaviorists and so on, and neuroscientists as we have today.  And then they control the populations on behalf of those at the very, very top who have the whole commercial system sewn up.  They own the trade routes, they own the caravans that used to go back across the Middle East; today itís all the trade routes.  They own the ships, etcetera.  They donít work them themselves, they simply finance it all and own it all.

So that hasnít changed for thousands and thousands of years.  But they came into countries which at one time lived very simply in communal settings where everyone was important in their little tribe and they had their own systems of making sure everyone was supplied with their basic needs and so on. 

We take today this whole thing of the consumer society for granted because weíve been trained in it.  We have an education system which trains us that itís quite natural.  In fact they train us to go out and get that carrot you know that you never quite reach.  Itís not meant that you reach it because the carrot is getting smaller all the time because of inflation because it got built-in inflation of the economy.  Itís always been here.  And of course only one person can get a job at the top and the rest of you donít even get a piece of that carrot.  So weíre chasing a fantasy that we take as reality and we think eventually thatís the only system that could possibly be here simply because it exists as such.  Itís quite fascinating to see this how it all works. 

The understanding of human nature is absolutely ancient.  And power and these understandings are never lost through time even when armies come in and conquer civilizations as they call them, they always make sure that they recruit all the bureaucrats in all ages onboard who ran that system, including the religions too.†

Neil:  You kind of answered this question but as you said the symbolism and stuff changed through time.  But I mean have you noticed any kind of modern manifestations of ancient symbolism coming back into vogue as it were?  And would the likes of Bertrand Russell who traveled east understand the symbols he saw along the way without any difficulty in it?†

Alan:  Oh yeah.  There is no doubt about it.  When the British army went in, it was in India in the 17-1800ís, a lot of their recruits wrote home and of course they had the traveling lodge with them.  The British army always had a Masonic lodge, traveling lodge, with them, generally the orange lodge by the way.  And they were astonished to find that all over the cities and so on throughout India when they first went in they already had Masonic lodges there.So they didnít know that.  The people didnít know that.

Neil:  Yeah.  Weíll go onto the 2nd book.  First weíll go onto a piece of music and then weíll go onto the 2nd volume, "A Glimpse into the Great Work"

Iím not sure what tune Steveís got lined up tonight but whatever he wants to throw on will do.

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Neil:  Okay.  Welcome back to Reality Bytes Radio on the 14th of August 2014.  Weíve still got our guest Alan Watt with us for the next half hour. 

Alright, moving on to Volume II, Alan, "A Glimpse into the Great Work", and you start off with the symbol of the pyramid which is conspicuous on the dollar bill.  Do you want to start off on this chapter?†

Alan:  The pyramid again goes back into ancient mythology.  The writings in it and Enoch mentions it and all this kind of thing.  Theyíre really into the books of Enoch and so on about the three types of pyramids that they tried to make sure that knowledge is preserved.  This is the whole key that they claim as I say this idea thatís had many, many names down through the ages of rulership and domination by what they call the intelligentsia.  Itís been called many names including illuminati, which is a bit overblown.  But the power of controlling millions of people was never lost, even pre-flood they built supposedly three different kinds of pyramids to store the knowledge to survive.  And there was a wooden one, and another one, and then there was the one made by stone, etcetera, to survive the flood. 

So the pyramids always had this connotation of mystery and power of an elite form.  And we know too that they didnít simply start in Egypt proper; there were pyramids in other places too, the ziggurats, the so-called earlier kinds of stepped pyramid, the ziggurat type too at Ur and so on. 

So itís always been a symbol of the ancient powerful elite.  They also had gone even further back into the Sumerian lands too where the king had his form of pyramid and a little chamber on top at the pyramid where supposedly the God, the God of the Kingu, thatís where the word king comes from, Kingu.  And Kane also comes from the same name.  But he would come down and impregnate a virgin that was chosen to carry on royal lineages, etcetera, and that was added to the Kinguís lineage.  So they had all these mystical things that really would be impressive to primitive peoples who were kept illiterate by a literate class.  Nothing really changed down through time. 

We know also the ancients were fascinated by the sky.  Mathematics was really born and came out of the stars, and geometry, etcetera.  And so what they tried to do is recreate heaven on earth.  Which is awfully interesting because even in Christianity you get these relations between trying to emulate the powers of heaven from God and the archangels all the way down of rulership, and then an inverted pyramid down to the Pope and then the strata of priests, and the ranks of priests down to the bottom basically reflecting the powers of heaven.  Itís an ancient idea right to the present time.†

So the pyramids, even the ones at Giza, were built to emulate Orion which is the constellation, the hunter.  And we call it Orion.  It has other names too in other cultures.  The belt of the pyramid is actually the three pyramids youíll see there.  And so theyíre trying to copy the star patterns and have the same power as the gods themselves putting it on Earth.  And the pharaoh was in charge, he was the high priest or Pope you might call it, who owned and ruled everything that flew, crawled, moved and dug into the earth and all the rest of it, and swam in the sea.  So everything, all power is granted to this supreme character, this being in a human form, because he had the spirit of the God within him and he emulated the Godís kingdom on Earth you see.  So that was really a part of it. 

The pyramids, actually building them is no mystery at all, we know how itís done.  If you want to get awfully rich by the way you can churn out the books and fascinate people by mysteries and thatís what a lot of folk do.  But we know how they were built and they were built basically from the ground up and that way it was quite easy to put different chambers inside them as youíre building different parts and floors to it, etcetera.  Then you put the cap on the top and thatís it.

We also know how they got the big stones upwards to them because they built huge ramps, you can see it from photographs from the sky.  Long, long ramps that could be a quarter of a mile long or longer and it gave you a long slope to drag these big stones up, etcetera. 

So, but anyway it was the power of the king and thatís what it showed you.  It was a representation that he also ruled the stars now on Earth you know.  So the God, the God that was the invisible God that created everything and brought light to the universe and light to the world, ruled the heavens and gave this power to his, you might say his brother or his son, who was the pharaoh who then ruled it in the same fashion on Earth.

It was very mystical.  The people were brought up to believe in all of this, the peasantry, etcetera, and they took it for granted that this was all true, magnificent things which are so far out of the ordinary and unfortunately impressed very poor people.  That hasnít changed today especially in a system again of wealth and money where people are paid.  You couldnít be a king for instance and have all this luxury and attendants and so on unless you had something to pay them with.  So first you must introduce money and wages and then youíve got your slave drivers and all the rest of it and your armies underneath you. 

Without that money system you couldnít get this.  And this is what we call civilization.  And the leisure class that goes with it and they then become scribes, take the histories, alter the cultures, alter the religions when necessary too, to add things to them or subtract them or whatever to suit the rulership of that particular time.  So money, civilization, etcetera, what they call progress by the way is a very ancient system thatís been unbroken right down to the present time.†

Neil:  Now I have not been to Egypt but Iíve been to Mexico and have been to some of the sites there that everybody goes to, Chichen Itza, and Iíve been there, and I went to Coba and another place which was right in the, I think it was Coba actually in the jungle, and it was so vast that you had to get on a bike to go around it. 

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  And they just unveiled one monument there and you were still allowed to climb up them.  I donít know if you still are now.  But I went up on the top of this pyramid and they had this slab on the top where they did the sacrifices and all that stuff.  And you looked out across the jungle and you could see these mountains, as far as you can see you could see mountains, and there was a tour guide up there and I said are these other pyramids out there?  He said, oh yeah, itís everywhere.  It was vast.  It was like, you know, it was like the size of London or something.  It was huge.And then he said they wonít last when they uncover this stuff.  He said this canít last when they uncover this stuff.  And when you look at it, the amount of work that must have gone into it, itís vast.  The amount of people that must have been there you know.

Alan:  Oh itís a whole economy.  Itís a whole economy even in ancient Egypt they had unions you know for the stone masons and the workers, and their spokespeople who would go to the pharaoh and plead their case sometimes for increased wages and so on and conditions.  It was a form of socialist economy which they ran upon and the moneylenders who at that time, who came in with, actually they used to weigh the gold out, theyíd come in from the main commerce countries or commercial countries.  Merchant bankers as we know them, who would bring the goods in and the money supply and they would weigh it out and give it to the pharaohs in return for whatever.  And theyíd also get the pharaohís armies to wage wars on their behalf at times too and they would get the conquered ones out of that.  They would become slaves who were then sold on the slave market. 

So all of this comes together with the money system, without that you couldnít even get slaves because youíd have no money to pay people or give them a cabbage or turnip.  I donít think they would want to be a slave master for very long.  Theyíd go home you know.  So thatís really how the system works that we take for granted.  And also what was fascinating too from ancient times to the present where those who lead whatís called the economic centers of that time to the present day youíll get incredible cities, incredible cities with some of the most incredible wealthy people living in them surrounded by the class, what we call classes, the working classes, and then down to all the homeless and the prostitutes and even drugs by the way, in ancient times to the present, at the bottom.  This whole system is ancient.  And itís always the same M.O. down through the ages.†

Neil:  Yeah.  I watched "Apocalypto", Mel Gibsonís movie a few times and the scene where they captured the warriors and brought them into the city.  That seems pretty realistic to me.  Youíve got all the, as you say, slaves on the outskirts of the city all digging up the limestone and covered in you know this white dust, and as they go further and further into the city where the main pyramid is you have the real wealthy people and they have different cultures as well, not just that indigenous culture but cultures which assimilated from all different parts of the world.†

Alan:  Well this is a fascinating part Neil because Iíll tell you Britain really copied that same system, or those who came into Britain and took it over copied that system or already had it because the British Empire...  We forget that the British went into other countries using the domestic peoples initially as troops, and all the people of the country to finance those armies through taxation and so on.  But then they created the empire and then in each country where they had an empire they had troops, native troops and regiments, formed as well which they would use either on that peopleís own people or into other countries once again.  This idea of World Empire is very ancient.  And the Egyptians did the same thing too. 

Neil:  Would you know much about the Bosnian pyramids?  Because itís somewhere that Iíve wanted to go when I go over to that part of the world.  Iím actually not too far away from there when Iím over there.  And itís not something thatís advertised.  You would think that a country thatís relatively poor would be advertising this stuff and getting tourism going but itís being kept very, very quiet.  Would you have any background knowledge on why that would be the case?

Alan:  Yeah we do know and yet there is more to be discovered there yet, but we do know that pyramids go all the way back, all the way back in a lot of countries, youíll find off the islands off the west coast of Africa for instance.  Theyíre still uncovering them yet.  And in fact Thor Heyerdahlís son, that did the Kon-Tiki expedition, he was uncovering one near Bahrain I think it was.  And they tried to keep that out of the papers but it got in because they were trying to put a highway through it, thatís how they came across it. 

But youíll find that in parts of Europe yeah as well because even ancient Egyptians, we knew there was a trade route and a luxury area for an upper class that traveled all the way from Egypt and then eventually Greece, when you had the Greco-Egyptian Empire, and they traveled all the way to the Black Sea.  That was a favorite resort of even the Romans.  And it was thought that it was brought in even from the Egyptian elite long before that and then the Greeks took it over and then the Romans made their luxury resort there too.  It was always a favorite resort to go to for the elite.  Interesting enough too the Black Sea area was the main resort used by the Soviet Union for all their residents who were guaranteed a holiday every year, the workers, and they would take them to the Black Sea area as well.

Neil:  Well thatís actually funny because people in Bulgaria thatís where they all gravitate to.  It doesnít matter what part of Bulgaria they are from they all head there for holidays and it seems to be the only place.

Alan:  It is very, very old and also I mean the Black Sea too in mythology, or itís hard to tell sometimes what is history and mythology when itís so far back because a lot of old history comes from myths actually, word of mouth, stories.  But the Black Sea in ancient times, especially in the religions of India of all places, and believe you me they were traveling around too an awful lot in ancient times.  But in India, in fact they were the main buyers and purchasers for the Sumerian people 5,000-odd years ago or longer.  So youíll find that the Black Sea is a bit of a mystery to a lot of scientists because they put a submarine down there in National Geographic a few years back to see, because there were myths that there used to be people living in that valley where the sea is and they found different, very different levels of strata.  There were definitely old buildings down there that had been sunk thousands of years ago. 

And if you go into the Hindu religions they say because they claim to have seven periods of great catastrophes and so on.  Ages of you know flooding and fire and so on and then water, the old fire and water thing.  And anyway they said that, that area was used as an experimental basin by the Gods.  Now you would take scientists in all ages by the way if you were a primitive person, you would call them a god, like a pharaoh was a god too.  People who were educated were technically gods.  And even the class of Greeks were all descended from the gods, the upper class, and the same with the Romans.  So youíll go off into mysticism when they mention gods. 

But they said that they experimented with different kinds of humans and animals in that valley.  And eventually these creatures that were created from humans and animals started to eat each other so they flooded the valley to destroy them all.  That was the ancient myth that comes from the religions of India.  So it was quite fascinating that they had the history of something being there at least buildings or whatever or people.  And then National Geographic uncovered it with their submarine that time about ten years ago or more. 

Neil:  Yeah weíre all set on that with, "The Island of Dr. Moreau".† But there is a similar kind of place like that in Bulgaria where theyíve got these huge kind of red rocks that go up the way and they form all curious shapes.  And at every level of these rocks youíve got tiny pebbles.  The whole area was a sea at one time and itís nowhere near the sea.  Itís in the center of the country and itís not too far from the Danube.  And I think the deepest freshwater lake in Eastern Europe is there.  And the whole area was under hundreds of feet of water. 

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  And you canít see where it came from.  You canít see where it went.  {Laughs}

Alan:  We know there have been great upheavals in the Earth; there is no doubt about it.  It still goes on too.  But we have upheavals, and even in South America, in Chile and different places, youíll find that if you climb some of their hills or mountains even, you will find levels of beaches and seashells in them, thousands of feet above the sea level that at one time were down at the sea level but they got pushed up down through time with upheavals in the earth, and earthquakes, etcetera.  Earthquakes donít just sink things, they also push things up.  And thatís happened across Europe in ancient times as well. 

Neil:  Okay.  Weíve got about fifteen minutes left.  Weíll move on to Part III.  Youíve got three volumes here and people really need to get a hold of it and go through it more than once as I have only done.  But the third part is "Esoteric Unveiled and the Meaning of Revelations in the High Masonic Tradition", and that was 2003 that you completed that one.  So do you want to take us through that briefly? 

Alan:  Yeah well I always wondered about, in all ages of the Christian era, really it started around the 6th or 7th century, "Revelation" wasnít included in the bible initially by the way.  It was added on at a convention much, much later.  Many other books were either included or excluded from the bible according to the political climate of that era you know.  So but eventually they brought it in and then took it out again a few centuries later and then put it back in again.  But and itís not in to this day in a lot of the apocryphas, itís called, itís only contained within say the Catholic version of the bible. 

But "Revelation" can be used really in all ages.  Revelation is, there are many ways to look at something, and this is why I found it fascinating even in the Chaldean, then the Judaic religions, and so on which were all kind of from the same source and sources.  Youíll find that when they talk about something that happened in a mystical form, very mystical language, theyíre actually telling you about something that can be made to happen in the future not by chance but by direction.  They were not talking about Godís direction, but of an eliteís direction. 

You can create culture.  They knew that back then.  You can direct the people to do anything and behave in any way you want if you knew how to apply the techniques of psychology.  And today itís PR and marketing propaganda and the culture industry.  So you can direct them to be a certain way or go off and fight down the road someone else and conquer them and so on because itís your right to rule the world or whatever it happens to be.  You can always use people for your own ends in other words.  So when they talk about something thatís going to happen by chance itís not chance at all. 

In all eras "Revelation" can be used because this commercial moneyed system, money owned privately by a few, at least the right to create it and count it you might say and lend it and collect it, is the ultimate power of this whole planet and this whole structure of all reality as we know it today.  So "Revelation" is the consequences of that power all down through the ages and yet to come until you have world government.  The beast, etcetera, is a system.  And itís a system that eventually leads to total world control by an elite you see.  Thatís what it really means, a system.

It also means that humanity as we know it, even humanity between ourselves, as natural human beings not psychopathic, would be completely altered by various means to alter us.  Itís not just a making the beast in his image sort of thing, itís making all of us the beast in that image.  Today itís taken for granted, itís through transhumanism, altering humanity itself with artificial insemination, manipulating genes, etcetera.  The creating of a new servant class, thatís all part of "Revelation".  In other words itís always an ongoing plan. 

When you look back at the history of Britain for instance youíve had no peace in Britain for centuries and centuries and centuries.  There is not one generation being born that had complete peace in its lifetime.  And itís getting to this so-called progression or progressive society, what they call progressive.  It would get less and less freedom and peace in every generation, even less and less.  You see itís either an economic fear weíre living under, loss of jobs, income, inflation, or it is war or itís both.  But these two techniques are used down through the ages always. 

And you have an international elite today who are definitely international who are running the whole world.  All the international corporations truly have become the new feudal overlords like professor Carroll Quigley said and he was a part of this organization that was leading towards, working towards, this world government run by an elite. 

They did not believe in equality.  They did believe they would use, like a carrot again, the idea of equality and democracy for the people to fight for them and claim this world for them, the ones at the top, but they didnít believe that democracy would ever work at all.  They believed in a super elite and a form of socialism which would be a top-heavy government bureaucracy and government agencies running man from birth to death basically.  Today you have the scientific elite heavily involved in this and well employed by the same foundations and international corporations and governments all working towards the same goal of perfecting man. 

Jumping back to Charles Galton Darwinís book, "The Next Million Years", he said basically the same thing that you wouldnít need your mind to make decisions for you, your own abilities to make decisions, because the government and agencies would be making all the decisions for you.  Thatís the perfect system for you but he says for us, for our class, he said, he said that We shall remain unchanged.  We shall remain the wild man.  The wild man must be animalistic.  He must take action.  He is an action man.  He is not bound by moral rules, etcetera, or laws of the state or the land.  He creates it for the rest of you but not for himself because the wild man will be steering the ship, the planet Earth basically, and must be able to make vital decisions for survival purposes.  But the ordinary people will make no decisions for themselves. 

Look around you today with how they have adapted to the electronics systems that they have been given.  And how theyíre walking around like zombies staring at their silly phones all day long and so on.  They canít even make eye contact now with each other.  Itís working very, very well as the people adapt into different stages of this particular plan.  Youíre being changed.  When you look at any particular story on the internet youíre being nudged to go and look at this other story.  In other words the formation of an idea has been guided by professionals who have already predetermined the conclusions that they want you to follow and come to.  And thatís all called "nudging" by the neuroscientists that work with those who design the programs for the computers.  All of this is combined. 

So "Revelations" is an ongoing program, wars, rumors of wars, pestilence.  We get nothing but fear of pestilence and so on, the idea of squalor, poverty, yada-yada-ya, are eternal in this one particular system.  They must go use all of these techniques to achieve their end, their goals.  And thatís what weíre going through today as they, as they see...  Remember thatís why they call this, the 21st century, is both the "New American Century", but itís also the "Century of Change".  And all academia used that term, the Century of Change which to the few at the top who really knew what they were talking about like Quigley, the 21st century was to be the century where all that was normal, all that was will be passed, and all that should be and will be, will come into being.  A completely new system, a new way of living, a new humanity, you might call it that too.  Thatís all to take place in this century and weíre rolling along with it being forced along with continuous wars and the Pentagonís, the militaryís own papers, magazines, Iíve read the articles on the air from their own magazines where the intelligence officer wrote one about perpetual war.  And he said from now on itís going to be perpetual war.  There will be no peace for the people because through perpetual war you can get instant change, fast change, people donít question what they have to do and what they have to put up with in times of war.  And it said the war on terror is a great guise to rush everything through into a post consumerist society where youíre run by government in a communistic fashion and with a super elite of the wealthy people at the top.  Thatís all to be achieved this century and theyíre really running towards it.

Neil:  I mean Iíve noticed particularly over the last, well I suppose since 9/11, real chaos and youíve mentioned chaos many times in your radio broadcast.  I mean it really is getting way, way, way beyond anything Iíve experienced when I was younger.  Itís just, I should say itís perpetual, and itís coming from all angles.  Weíve now got Ebola; apparently weíre going to be killed with a plague you know.  And I think that myself.  Thatís a move toward mandatory vaccinations and to stop you traveling I think.  Thatís what I think at this point. 

Alan:  Well thatís one thing too plus the people are dying off by the way with massive respiratory problems because of the massive chem spraying that we have been having since 1998.  I mean our whole weather is designed for us now.  Theyíve got the drought areas under control, they make sure thereís got to be constant drought and of the areas of the bread baskets are constantly under rain and cold weather.  I havenít seen no summer here in Canada at all, about five days of it, you know.  Iíve had the wood stove on at nights in June, a lot of nights in June, July, August, and last night I had it on again, I had it on a lot all week.  It was only a few degrees above freezing at night here.†

Neil:  Yeah.  Well weíve had horrendous weather this year for some reason.  And well they sprayed us, one because the chemtrailing has been horrendous over the past few months.  But there is a quote in the first section of your book and I think itís absolutely right.  It says:  "Most people who claim to seek the truth really only want confirmation of those things which they already believe.  Truth would require that they abandon their ďcomfort zonesĒ and do something concrete Ė to make real changes in their lives."† And I think itís about time they got off their backsides and actually started doing something about it because if they donít they can forget any future for their children and grandchildren.  I mean Iíve got a new grandson being born next month and I really do fear for the future for any children being born now because we know where itís going you know.  We know how bad this is likely to get.  I mean what do you say to grandchildren and children you know and their parents. 

Alan:  Well Iíll tell you a long time ago through experimental schools, run in Britain by Bertrand Russell in the 1920ís, he got permission to do things to children that other folk would have been hung for doing, even promoting pre-pubertal sex amongst them to see if it would work so that theyíd have lots of partners and never get married.  He got the right to do that in the 1920ís by a charter from the crown, permission.  So he through all their studies, he says, we used to think weíd have to take the children from their parents to indoctrinate the children in the proper way to obey the state, you know, and that would be contaminated by the values of the parents.  He says, but now weíve found with intensive scientific indoctrination if you get the children early enough even through kindergarten, etcetera, or preschool, into school and through the scientific technique, he says, the parents, it would be much cheaper to let the parents raise the child, be solely responsible for the economic welfare of the child in this because this technique is so perfect that when the child goes home it doesnít matter what the parents will say.  All of their new culture will be given to them by an authorized, the state basically.  Their authorized culture will be given by the state, the new values, and they will not be contaminated, they wonít listen to their parents.  And thatís been the mantra by the way since the 60ís; donít listen to anybody over thirty, then twenty, and so on.  Thatís why by the way they also have younger and younger teachers all the time.  They donít want older folk teaching the children.  So you canít really fight this. 

In Sudbury there are a few Mennonites around you know and one day at the bus station I noticed a woman in there dressed in a garb and the son there too and they were waiting for I guess the husband to come back off the train, and this child I donít think had ever seen a television before.  And there was one out, just outside of kind of a covered waiting, it had a roof for a covered waiting place and it had a little television there.  And this guy he couldnít take his eyes off the TV.  He was utterly mesmerized by it.  You canít fight the technologies which are being used today to make sure the childís mind is grabbed by using scientific techniques by the way which the parents cannot put across to them.  It overrides the parental input all together.†

Neil:  Yeah.  Well my son actually stood up to the medical people when the Swine Flu thing was around and refused to have his daughter vaccinated for that.  And Iíve spoken to him since and heís having a hell of a time persuading his wife.  Heís quite happy not to vaccinate but itís always the women you have to get onboard and I donít know where thatís going to go but hopefully they can work it out and not go down that road.

But I was onto the health words because they were trying to cite that "non-vaccination is a form of neglect".  But I sent a few FYIs off to them and you could get a different answer out of anybody but they did say that nothing was mandatory; it was all consensual, blah, blah, blah. 

Alan:  Thatís right.

Neil:  So at least Iíve got that in writing.

Alan:  Well Iíll tell you I do know a lot of people who have had families and then the later children they did not get vaccinated.  Every single one of them said that none of them, the ones who did not get vaccinated, none of them had what was called the normal childhood problems and illnesses of the runny nose, the earaches, etcetera.  None of them had that problem at all.  You see even the so-called normal childhood illnesses are actually also induced by the vaccination.  Thatís how devious this whole system is. 

Neil:  Yeah, yep.  Okay Alan, well weíve reached the hour again.  It just flies in.Just to finish off here I believe youíre in the process of writing a new book. 

Alan:  Iíve got a few actually here. 

Neil:  Okay, when can we expect to see them?

Alan:  Oh it will be the next month or two, a couple of months Iíd say.  Iíve got a lot on the go right now.  Iíve been just thrown off my feet with literally crisis after crisis after crisis, even economic and you know vehicles and all the rest of it, but it should be fairly soon.  There is so much to say and I donít want to simply speak to the crowd.  I want to try to get people...  I try to write it with a process of breaking through the conditioning, thatís how I do it, that youíre born into and your conditioning from birth.  I try to break through that to get you thinking for yourselves for the first time and stop following people too.  You have to start using your own brain.†

Neil:  That includes a lot of people in this so-called truth movement as well. 

Alan:  Absolutely.  Youíre given your heroes to follow.  Nothing has been missed here.  Yeah, absolutely. 

Neil:  Okay.  Well weíll speak to you again next month.  Iíll be possibly on the other side of the pond at that point.† So yeah.  Itís good to talk to you again.†

Alan:  Okay.  Itís been a pleasure.†